okay I have flame and Blue. Flame is a Lutino Hen and Blue is a cobalt pied

 

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Last time around they had four bubs who look like this (this is also the order they where born in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This time around they had two bubs who are still in the jellybean stage just starting to get feathers born around the start of the month. Anyway this girl and her dad comes around to look at one of the pied guys I have from another nest and this guy know so much about birds blah blah blah and then tells me that the oldest chick in flames latest clutch can not be Blues :laughter:

 

See this chick is going to be some such colour that I could not have gotten out of Blue. I am a little stumped but trying not to be rude I say that the pair has raised one clutch did not go back into the avairy before the second clutch and unless Flame stored another males sperm from before her original clutch then the babies are Blues. Well she started arguing with me that they are not and I must have switched eggs and something about trying to rip them off which I did not get at all.... Hmmm some people.

 

Also side note one of my guys broke his leg ring off? I checked my records and I have this bird down as having a leg ring but he does not have one on now???? Anyone ever had one fall off before?

Edited November 13, 200816 yr by KAZ

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the hands of an idiot cant it :laughter:

 

Budgies cannot break a ring off without breaking their leg with it. Is it possible the ring that was on was a split ring ? and does he have really skinny legs

Cannot imagine how the ring has come off if it were a proper closed ring.

Edited November 13, 200816 yr by KAZ

I know Kaz, if he had said that the first bird out of the first clutch was not Blues I would accept that it could be the case (however the first bub looks so much like her dad and he is the ONLY blue pied that I had I would be going with the thought she was his) but come on, some people.

 

As for the leg ring I have no clue. I have the ring number record in my book, Pippi and I found him a few days ago and since then I have caught and wormed all my guys and checked off the leg ring numbers so I know which one it it. Can you have coded split rings? I checked his legs and can not see any damage to them so it's strange I also checked the bottom of the avairy but could not find the ring (not that I tought I was going to)

 

I think I cam going to have to call him after that magic guy that kept getting out of locks and stuff... argh can't remember his name!

Houdini :laughter:

What colour was he saying it was going to be? Apart from anything else you just never know what a pair may be carryin in the recessive form and just happen to throw so there is always a surpise or two

When one of the parents is lutino any mutations are possible because lutino can mask any other mutation. There are 2 ways that would account for the mutations of the 4 chicks. It’s hard to tell Blue’s mutation from the photo. Blue appears to be a recessive pied but since the chicks are dominant pied Blue could be a combination of dominant and recessive pied. He can’t be a double factor dominant pied because some of the chicks haven’t inherited pied. The chicks are cobalt opaline dominant pied, Grey dominant pied, grey green, and dark green

 

1) If Blue is a combination of dominant and recessive pied then:

Blue is split for opaline and Flame is masking opaline and has a grey factor

 

2) If Blue is a recessive pied then:

Blue is split for opaline and Flame is masking opaline and dominant pied and has a grey factor

 

The expected outcome from either option would include combinations of dominant pied, opaline, green, grey green, grey and blue

Blue is DF dom pied

Blue is DF dom pied

He can't be because 2 of the chicks are not. If he was double factor dominant pied all the chicks would be dominant pied

Blue is DF dom pied

He can't be because 2 of the chicks are not. If he was double factor dominant pied all the chicks would be dominant pied

BUT he appears as DF ...........weird need more pictures of dad

I am going to have to put Blue in t a show cage over the week end and take lots of pictures. The guy said that the oldest chick was going to be a normal something i can't remember now and you can't get a normal out of a pied.

The guy said that the oldest chick was going to be a normal something i can't remember now and you can't get a normal out of a pied.

You can't get normals from a double factor dominant pied but as there were normals in the last clutch it proves that Blue is not a double factor dominant. Often pieds with very few markings that are mistakenly identified as double factor dominant pieds when they are actually a combination of two different pied types. Using breeding results to identify mutations is better than visual identification

Looks like he is a sort of double factor dominant pied, but two different varieties of dominant pied - clearflighted and banded.

 

The different types of dominant pieds are inherited on different genes, so they are present as single factors for each variety and the other gene is normal for each pair of genes.

 

So dad's contribution to the babies could be clearflight pied, banded pied or normal.

 

Note, this seems to be why you only get dark-eyed clears as the recessive pied version of a clearflighted pied, because the recessive pied gene doesn't interact in the same way with the other types of dominant pieds.

 

A while ago I was trying to breed yellowfaced white dark-eyed clears. Out of pairing a clearflighted violet dominant pied/r.pied hen and a yellowface cobalt normal/r.pied squire, I had two unusual results. So I abandoned the dark-eyed clears and I am currently developing a dominant pied variety that has clearflights, a colour delineation across the chest and a full ring of white or yellow around the neck instead of just the head patch. I call them dominant clearflighted ring neck pieds.

 

Not all of the pied babies have a full ring around the neck, some just have a head patch and some have half a ring neck - these go to pet shop. I only keep the best exhibits, the ones with the best characteristics that I want to continue breeding with.

 

I'd like to show pictures of one of them but I can't get the photobucket to upload pictures from my computer.

Can I email the pics to someone on the forum to post them for me?

Post your pictures to any mod or admin DrNat and we can put them up for you

I sent the pics to melbournebudgies.

Oh my gosh, they are gorgeous

 

Here are DrNat's babies :rofl:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good size and lovely markings....looks so healthy

Notice on one side he has a blue cheek patch, on the other side there is no cheek patch, it is all just white feather. Some of the other babies are with or without spots on one or both sides.

Notice on one side he has a blue cheek patch, on the other side there is no cheek patch, it is all just white feather. Some of the other babies are with or without spots on one or both sides.

One of my dominant pied boys like that with only spots one side and not the other got Best Dominant pied in show recently, so I guess he had other things going for him. He was a twin of two babies hatched out of one egg.

I showed one of my ring neck pied babies to Rob Lucas at a nest feather show recently, they are pygmies compared to his birds, but he thought the markings were interesting. Has anyone else had a dominant pied with a complete ring around the neck instead of just a head patch? I have seen it in recessive pieds before.

I'm just wondering if I get them up to show standard if the judges will disqualify them because they don't have a head patch, they have a head ring???

I have this girl who's close

 

That is what some of his siblings look like - the ones I send to the pet shop.

I will keep working on getting a really thick white or yellow band around the neck, no spots or cheek patches, a straight line across the chest and a full V of black undulations between the clear wings.

I have one of her daughters too who has a lovely V but less of a neck band

 

I want to try to get the v just in between the shoulders with none on the wings.

 

I did have one that came out with half a ring neck, a band of undulations across the top of the shoulders and completely clear wings right across his back with no v at all.

He went to the pet shop because my most desired feature is the full ring neck. Though if it had been a hen I would have thought twice.

 

The opaline variant looks interesting also, the white or yellow of the ring neck continues as a solid v of white or yellow between the shoulders, with a v line of black on the tertiary wing feathers and the rest of the wings completely clear. Though I haven't got an opaline with a solid neck ring yet.

One of my pet birds, missing half his spots 2 white cheek patches and a ring on both sides but not as thick as your birds. The black v is just a dominant pied trait it should be fairly even in all birds.

I have a few opaline dom pieds all with the even belly band but none have the extended head patch, just the normal size one.

I wonder if the judges would disqualify the ring neck ones?