okay. So I'm not going to breed them this year but next year I would like to start breeding... I'm thinking of pairing Lip and Len up with 2 other birds (that I haven't met yet) but... if all else fails, they arn't related so it is a future possibility...

 

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Look forward to seeing the answers when I return!!! Maybe I can find some nice looking Budgies while I'm in NZ lol...

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by JimmyBanks

1+1= WINDOW, 11 or for the serious members out there 2

 

Ummm She's a Lacewing and he is a Spangle - So you should get split lacewing cocks

spangles and maybe a surprise too lol - My brain isn't working tonight Just ran a marathon and I am buggered ...

 

Good luck with the breeding and holidays JB

Wow A marathon? good job... anyone want to confirm Neat's thoughts? lol

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by JimmyBanks

Olive Green Spangle Cock x Lacewing Female

 

100% Greens unless both birds are split to blue

50% Spangle 50% Normals

Male birds will be split for Lacewing but will not be visual

You will get no Lacewings out of this clutch unless the dad is split for ino & cinnamon

If the cock is split to either ino or cinnamon then you could get lutino or cinnamon females.

 

Lacewing is a composite of cinnamon and lacewing combined together so the 2 genes are separate but create the the 1 mutation.

 

If you bought both of the birds at the same time, I would say they could very well be related and would not chance a mating.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Elly

I agree with Elly except for one thing, if she is a lacewing and he is split for ino and/or cinnamon you would get cocks and hen in that colour since she is also showing these mutation Cinnamon splits are more common than you might realise, none of my birds that I put down to breed are cinnamon and out of the four chicks I've ended up with two are cinnamon!

Just on Len, I read that ino's can be masking spangle and things like that so I'm wondering is it possible for Lacewings to be masking as well? I guess they wouldn't mask because of the cinamon markings... just thinking out loud here people...

Hi there,

I loveeeeeeeeeeeee your birds they are is soooooooooooo adorable.

Where abouts in NZ are you heading.

Im in Hawkes bay

Your green spangle looks female to me!

Yes, Len's cere looks multicoloured to me too, which could mean hormone issues as I have been informed. I have a gorgeous big cobalt spangle cock in my aviary which I unfortunately bought as a mistaken hen. Cocks ceres will change to a browner colour if they are "past it" or as I said before, it can be a sign of hormone imbalance.

 

I also have lacewing spangles apparently. They are still lacewings, but their markings arent as good as a normal lacewing. I am breeding with them to hopefully get and keep the normals they throw.

Ino can mask but if they are lacewing then you would see spangle because of the brown marking on the wings.

Seriously looks like two hens to me too.... and then I just assumed the yellow one is a male because sometimes pieds or inos or other interesting types don't go blue. Then everyone else started saying the olive one was male and the yellow one was female and my head almost exploded. I'm very confused now lol....

 

And no help to your original questoin either

I'm surprised that so many have replied to this thread without noticing that the 2 birds are both hens. The green spangle's cere looks blue because it is a hen that is out of condition

okay not EXACTLY a marathon LOL ....Netball Heheh

But it felt like i ran one

I'm surprised that so many have replied to this thread without noticing that the 2 birds are both hens. The green spangle's cere looks blue because it is a hen that is out of condition

 

I saw your comment but then JB said something about horomonal imbalance about it but you know you are right if you breed these 2 Neville you get NOTHING :rofl:

I'm surprised that so many have replied to this thread without noticing that the 2 birds are both hens. The green spangle's cere looks blue because it is a hen that is out of condition

 

I saw your comment but then JB said something about horomonal imbalance about it but you know you are right if you breed these 2 Neville you get NOTHING :hap:

 

I didn't say anything about hormonal imbalance that was Sunnie... but... that is interesting, the breeder I got them from said Lip was a cock, and len was a hen. Then I got them brought them home and took some photo's, someone told me Lip was a hen and Len was a cock... that surprised me but I agree with the cere comment Lip does have alot of white on her cere... and now I've been told they are both females... maybe I should attach a nest box just to find out once and for all... haha... although I haven't known Neville to be wrong...

they both look like hens to me too :hap:

 

Oh well.... look like you will have to go shopping for some nice cocks

yeah, I'm not really bothered... Like I said at the beginning I wasn't planning on breeding them together but I guess that makes it definite Yay!!! I get to buy more birds when I get home!!!

Isnt that spangle of yours a hen JB ? Looks like a hen out of condition. I was looking back through old photos of mine too and it occurred to me...has your lacewing ever had a brown cere while you have owned it as it could well be a cock bird.

What have they been paired with at MB's place ?

Yep I was thinking Spangle = Hen, Lacewing well maybe it's the cock and it's just the photo that was making it look like a hen.

 

Also look like MAYBE the lacewing is possibly opaline too judging by the "thumbprint" of clearer yellow on the wings which often happens with opalines. Need to see a shot from the back showing tail feather if possible. If it is cinnamon with a yellow colour flash near the quill then it's an Opaline Lacewing.

JB and I have been discussing the lacewings sex. It seems to me to have lighter rings around the nostrils but we're going to try putting it with a hen incase as it's certainly not doing anything at the moment. Pretty sure the spangle isn't opaline

JB and I have been discussing the lacewings sex. It seems to me to have lighter rings around the nostrils but we're going to try putting it with a hen incase as it's certainly not doing anything at the moment. Pretty sure the spangle isn't opaline

Nubbly says the lacewing is opaline not the spangle.

Has the lacewing ever had a brown cere. I think it may be a cock.

No it hasn't Kaz... I am totally unsure of its sex now. I have some pictures where people say it looks male others where people think it is a female... Like MB said, we have now paired it up to a female to see if it decides to let us know its a male one thing I will say is this, Len (lacewing) was doing some head bobbing and prancing in front of Lip (spangle) a while back when I had them. At the time I remember thinking hmmm maybe she's a he... I asked on here and some one (can't remember who) said that some hens do it...

 

I am a little worried pairing the lacewing with another hen when there is a nest box around though... is there a chance they'll fight over the box even if there isn't a male around??

 

The Spangle is a hen out of condition (she is now in condition and has laid 4 eggs at MB's)

The Lacewing was paired to an opaline cock and they arn't interested at all. MB and I have been talking about trying to pair it up with a female to see if it is a cock but I'm not sure if she has any particular hen in mind...

 

When I show this picture I get told cock:

 

 

when I show this I get told hen:

 

Edited March 9, 200916 yr by JimmyBanks

I am a little worried pairing the lacewing with another hen when there is a nest box around though... is there a chance they'll fight over the box even if there isn't a male around??

NO :rofl:

The Lacewing was paired to an opaline cock and they arn't interested at all. MB and I have been talking about trying to pair it up with a female to see if it is a cock but I'm not sure if she has any particular hen in mind...

I really think your lacewing is a cock

That would mean lacewing hen chicks yeah??

I have now got a cinnamon spangle hen in mind for him/her/it I'm going to catch a couple of hens out of the aviary tomorrow and make a decision on who would suit. Would love to hear thoughts on what I should look for in a mate.