You would get opaline chicks if the male was opaline or split to opaline and he would give it to his daughters]

if you breed two opalines you would get mixed sexes

 

Hard to see iris rings don't mean he is split to anything it just means they are hard to see. The only positive way to know if he is split is if you breed him to another bird that is split or also a recessive pied, or if he carried the small spot on the back of the head denoting split to recessive but we are saying he is a Clearflight Pied because he does have iris rings which would mean that his mom Storm would have to be too.

Would be really good if when you post pictures they arent so small and cropped.

 

 

are you SURE about Banshee having iris rings as Banshee looks recessive pied.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

You would get opaline chicks if the male was opaline or split to opaline and he would give it to his daughters]

if you breed two opalines you would get mixed sexes

 

Hard to see iris rings don't mean he is split to anything it just means they are hard to see. The only positive way to know if he is split is if you breed him to another bird that is split or also a recessive pied, or if he carried the small spot on the back of the head denoting split to recessive but we are saying he is a Clearflight Pied because he does have iris rings which would mean that his mom Storm would have to be too.

 

Well, he doesn't have the small spot on the back of his head..If his mum is Clearflight Pied, then she would have to have the clear flight feathers wouldn't she? All the rest of the description of a Clearflight fits her except for that.

Also, isn't there something about Recessive Pied that their eyes are a different colour when they hatch from normal chicks?

 

okay sorry Kaz, I'll make them bigger if/when you's want any more photos.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

okay sorry Kaz, I'll make them bigger if/when you's want any more photos.

Doing them bigger or closer would help us all NOW

okay sorry Kaz, I'll make them bigger if/when you's want any more photos.

Doing them bigger or closer would help us all NOW

 

Alright Kaz, which ones do you want bigger exactly?

Banshee and the mother.....all of them really. The photos of the mother are too small to see actual wing markings. We are allowed 480 by 640 on here. When asking mutation advice it pays to show the best way you can......the best detail, closer and bigger. Small and fuzzy pictures dont help much at all............

Banshee and the mother.....all of them really. The photos of the mother are too small to see actual wing markings. We are allowed 480 by 640 on here. When asking mutation advice it pays to show the best way you can......the best detail, closer and bigger. Small and fuzzy pictures dont help much at all............

 

lol well considering the quality of my camera, I don't think large and fuzzy will help much either.

But here's the larger photos of Banshee:

 

Storm:

 

I made them very big for you.

 

I'd really like to find out all of those bird's mutations now..I always assumed all three were Dominant Pied.

Can anyone tell me what mutations my budgies are yet? It would be much appreciated. I'm very curious as to what they are.

Storm is showing spangle markings. Patches on the back of the head of spangles is fairly common. Banshee is showing mixed coloured flights common in recessive pieds. You say there are iris rings in Banshee. Can you show this as it does not look possible.

 

Also front photo of the mother ?

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

Storm is showing spangle markings. Patches on the back of the head of spangles is fairly common. Banshee is showing mixed coloured flights common in recessive pieds. You say there are iris rings in Banshee. Can you show this as it does not look possible.

 

Also front photo of the mother ?

 

I can't get a good enough photo to show you Banshee's iris rings. Though I can definitly see the iris rings very easily with a torch. (one reason they are hard to see is because he only just finished his first moult)

But he also can't be Recessive Pied because his cere is turning blue..doesn't it always stay pink for males?

I've got a front photo of his mother a few pages back, but I'll post it again here:

 

Alright so do you know or at least have an educated guess as to what mutations these three are?

We've pretty much determined that the baby is a Mauve/Violet Recessive Pied..but what are Banshee and Storm?

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

Anyone? Can anyone tell me what mutations Banshee and Storm could be?

Thanks.

Anyone? Can anyone tell me what mutations Banshee and Storm could be?

Thanks.

Looks like Storm is a spangle dominant pied ? But the flights being coloured make it unusual.

Banshee must be dom pied if he has iris rings and blue cere. Funny how some budgies cross boundaries isnt it.

 

Storm seems to fit into a category called the continental clearflight....possibly ?

The Continental Clearflights are not as dramatically marked as the other pied mutations. Here, ideally, the flight feathers and the tail feathers should be clear. Very often some of these feathers will be normally colored. Continental Clearflights also have a patch of light feathers at the nape of the neck. Sometimes a Continental Clearflight will have all of the flight and tail feathers regularly marked. In this case they can only be told from the normal birds by means of the light patch by the base of the skull.

 

Maybe Neville can shed some more light on her when he comes ON.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

Anyone? Can anyone tell me what mutations Banshee and Storm could be?

Thanks.

Looks like Storm is a spangle dominant pied ? But the flights being coloured make it unusual.

Banshee must be dom pied if he has iris rings and blue cere. Funny how some budgies cross boundaries isnt it.

 

Storm seems to fit into a category called the continental clearflight....possibly ?

The Continental Clearflights are not as dramatically marked as the other pied mutations. Here, ideally, the flight feathers and the tail feathers should be clear. Very often some of these feathers will be normally colored. Continental Clearflights also have a patch of light feathers at the nape of the neck. Sometimes a Continental Clearflight will have all of the flight and tail feathers regularly marked. In this case they can only be told from the normal birds by means of the light patch by the base of the skull.

 

Maybe Neville can shed some more light on her when he comes ON.

 

 

Alright so we've pretty much got it sorted perhaps..

Kyra (that is the baby's name) is a Mauve/Violet Recessive Pied..her parents are a Mauve Normal/Recessive Pied and Storm.

Storm is a Violet Spangle (Opaline?) maybe Continental Clearflight, definetly split for Recessive.

And Banshee is a Cobalt/Violet Dominant Pied, maybe split for Recessive? (people said he was Recessive when he was younger, becuase he had, and still does have, a very orange beak, and no white band)

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

It sounds like Storm must be spangle clearflight pied but the pictures are not really clear enough to be sure. Banshee looks more like a recessive pied but if he is developing iris rings and a blue cere then he must be clearflight, though his flight feathers are not as clear as would be expected

 

Where did you find this Kaz?

The Continental Clearflights are not as dramatically marked as the other pied mutations. Here, ideally, the flight feathers and the tail feathers should be clear. Very often some of these feathers will be normally colored. Continental Clearflights also have a patch of light feathers at the nape of the neck. Sometimes a Continental Clearflight will have all of the flight and tail feathers regularly marked. In this case they can only be told from the normal birds by means of the light patch by the base of the skull.

It sounds like Storm must be spangle clearflight pied but the pictures are not really clear enough to be sure. Banshee looks more like a recessive pied but if he is developing iris rings and a blue cere then he must be clearflight, though his flight feathers are not as clear as would be expected

 

Where did you find this Kaz?

The Continental Clearflights are not as dramatically marked as the other pied mutations. Here, ideally, the flight feathers and the tail feathers should be clear. Very often some of these feathers will be normally colored. Continental Clearflights also have a patch of light feathers at the nape of the neck. Sometimes a Continental Clearflight will have all of the flight and tail feathers regularly marked. In this case they can only be told from the normal birds by means of the light patch by the base of the skull.

 

Here

 

http://www.faximusmaximus.com/piedkeet.html

Alright so we've pretty much got it sorted perhaps..

Kyra (that is the baby's name) is a Mauve/Violet Recessive Pied.. Yes

 

Storm is a Violet Spangle (Opaline?) maybe Continental Clearflight, definetly split for Recessive. Yes

 

And Banshee is a Cobalt/Violet Dominant Pied, maybe split for Recessive? The dad is a normal split to recessive pied. There is NO way you would have gotten a recessive baby if both parents didn't carry the gene. If there is no band he is not a Dominant Pied, if he has a spot on the back of the head it is due to to most likely showing that he is split for recessive pied. He is like my Merlin he has a spot on the back of the head but is considered a normal NOT pied. He shows NO sign of being recessive pied they are very distinctive in their markings and they have no iris rings. The orange beak can help be an indication on a bird that looks like a recessive pied but is not a tell tale sign.

 

Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

 

Alright so we've pretty much got it sorted perhaps..

Kyra (that is the baby's name) is a Mauve/Violet Recessive Pied.. Yes

 

Storm is a Violet Spangle (Opaline?) maybe Continental Clearflight, definetly split for Recessive. Yes

 

And Banshee is a Cobalt/Violet Dominant Pied, maybe split for Recessive? The dad is a normal split to recessive pied. There is NO way you would have gotten a recessive baby if both parents didn't carry the gene. If there is no band he is not a Dominant Pied, if he has a spot on the back of the head it is due to to most likely showing that he is split for recessive pied. He is like my Merlin he has a spot on the back of the head but is considered a normal NOT pied. He shows NO sign of being recessive pied they are very distinctive in their markings and they have no iris rings. The orange beak can help be an indication on a bird that looks like a recessive pied but is not a tell tale sign.

 

Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

 

 

 

I think it makes sense that Banshee would be a Clearflight Pied, which is why he does have some clear flight feathers and the white around the neck..and also split for Recessive, because of his orange beak and the coloured flights as well..Would that be right?

One thing confuses me though, is that I thought that even when newly hatched, Recessive Pied chicks have plum coloured eyes? Is that correct?

Edited November 12, 200816 yr by Jen144

Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

I've not heard of a poorly marked clearflight pied but that seems to be the only explanation

Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

I've not heard of a poorly marked clearflight pied but that seems to be the only explanation

 

If Banshee was split for Recessive Pied could that also contribute to the markings on the wings?

Also Nev, do Recessive Pied babies have plum coloured eyes?

Edited November 12, 200816 yr by Jen144

I think it makes sense that Banshee would be a Clearflight Pied, which is why he does have some clear flight feathers and the white around the neck..and also split for Recessive, because of his orange beak and the coloured flights as well..Would that be right? No, recessive pied is indicated on a normal bird with a pied mark on the back of the head it has nothing to do with an orange beak and colored flights. We are saying that is must be a poorly marked Clearflight because Clearflights flights should be completely white. One thing confuses me though, is that I thought that even when newly hatched, Recessive Pied chicks have plum coloured eyes? Is that correct? Yes they do have plum eyes but sometimes it is hard to see the plum if it is dark.

Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

I've not heard of a poorly marked clearflight pied but that seems to be the only explanation

If Banshee was split for Recessive Pied could that also contribute to the markings on the wings?Also Nev, do Recessive Pied babies have plum coloured eyes?

I answered your question above, you asked it twice :rofl:

Edited November 12, 200816 yr by Elly

Alright, would you say that this:

 

 

Is plum?

Can someone please reply? Thanks. :rofl:

Looks like normal black to me

Looks like normal black to me

 

 

Tha's strange..because those are pics of Kyra when she was younger..do not all Recessive Pieds have plum coloured eyes when they are young?

Can someone please reply? Thanks.

Not plum ....see our topic on that subject.

here............. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....&pid=273380

PS sometimes it takes time for people to answer on here. :rofl:

Edited November 12, 200816 yr by KAZ