At last 2 weeks on I finally get to post pictures of The 2 Summers my Red Eyed Yellow Twins. Perhaps now someone of you kind people who posted replies to me can now tell me what I have. Are they acceptable in the Budgie world, or are they rejects. I have no idea, and will appreciate feed back. xnannax43

They are creaminos....yellowfaced albinos.

Agree with kaz

At last 2 weeks on I finally get to post pictures of The 2 Summers my Red Eyed Yellow Twins. Perhaps now someone of you kind people who posted replies to me can now tell me what I have. Are they acceptable in the Budgie world, or are they rejects. I have no idea, and will appreciate feed back. xnannax43

 

So are they rejects or what.

So are they rejects or what.

 

 

definitely not rejects to me ,but then i do love ino's

Edited November 9, 200816 yr by KAZ
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Creamino's are gorgeous. I certainly wouldn't reject them... I'm not really sure what you mean by rejects though. It's up to the individual what they want to have in there flock... There not big enough to show so you wouldn't show them but as a pet I think they are great... You don't like them?

"Twins" as in REAL TWINS or as in they look the same

 

Agree with Kaz, Mate YF (Yellow Face) Albino's

 

If they had Black eyes with Iris rings they would be a YF DF spangle

and if it had black eyes and no Iris Rings ... would be classed a DES or a DEC

 

Hows that for a mutation lesson

creaminos are 1 of the best colour mutations thats available. i'm trying at the moment to breed them with my birds

I agree that they are creaminos (type 2 yellow face albinos). They are a very popular colour, definately not rejects

They are very pretty.

I don't think any birds are rejects, so I found your question a little strange - unless you are talking about breeding birds to show. In that case, they are too small, you would have to breed show type budgies (in which case all your birds are probably rejects )

 

Seriously though, they're beautiful, and it's up to you if you want to keep them or give them away.

So are they rejects or what.

definitely not rejects to me ,but then i do love ino's

Thanks for your input. This is the first of these that I have had. really wanting to know just where they fitted in.

Creamino's are gorgeous. I certainly wouldn't reject them... I'm not really sure what you mean by rejects though. It's up to the individual what they want to have in there flock... There not big enough to show so you wouldn't show them but as a pet I think they are great... You don't like them?

I like them, but have not had anything to do with what is suitable to breed from, and that is where I was coming from. At this moment only breeding for hobby.

"Twins" as in REAL TWINS or as in they look the same Agree with Kaz, Mate YF (Yellow Face) Albino's If they had Black eyes with Iris rings they would be a YF DF spangle and if it had black eyes and no Iris Rings ... would be classed a DES or a DEC Hows that for a mutation lesson

Put it this way, 2 babies same day, and only 1 egg hatched, so that is why I call them the 2 summers.

Creamino's are gorgeous. I certainly wouldn't reject them... I'm not really sure what you mean by rejects though. It's up to the individual what they want to have in there flock... There not big enough to show so you wouldn't show them but as a pet I think they are great... You don't like them?

Well you never know what can happen, the parents of these 2 in my ignorant idea of colour matching should never have had these babies. but I do not know the genitics of the parents. By the way 1 egg 2 babies

They are very pretty.

I agree, so soft and gentle the colourings

I don't think any birds are rejects, so I found your question a little strange - unless you are talking about breeding birds to show. In that case, they are too small, you would have to breed show type budgies (in which case all your birds are probably rejects )

 

Seriously though, they're beautiful, and it's up to you if you want to keep them or give them away.

 

 

Thank for your input. Where I am going is to raise healthy good sized birds, than are not inbred as so many are. I am trying to get blood lines that enable me to breed responsibily avoid inbreeding, and of course to have good healthy birds. The thing with the red eyes is something I need to gain more knowledge, but to me it seemed that if I had birds paired that produced that mutation, it would be better for me to avoid repairing. Am I right there. Also I have another 2 hatchlings that have the dark red eyes, one I guess will be albino as it is white, the other is a pale lemon , these birds are no way connected with the parents of the 2 Summers.

My latest little effort may be more to show size, but that is not my objective, I am too old to get caught up with all that show birds involves.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

The thing with the red eyes is something I need to gain more knowledge, but to me it seemed that if I had birds paired that produced that mutation, it would be better for me to avoid repairing.

 

To be honest it isn't a bad thing. there are some birds that start off with red eyes and later they go more dark they are known as (plum eyes) and then there are those that stay red (red eyes). By cutting those out you are not allowing certain colours to come through... like cinamon, albino, lutino, lacewing, fallow... It isn't considered a birth defect with budgies... at least I've never heard of it used in that way...

 

I look forward to seeing your flock grow through your responsible breeding. It sounds like you have thought about it. Good on you!

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

The thing with the red eyes is something I need to gain more knowledge, but to me it seemed that if I had birds paired that produced that mutation, it would be better for me to avoid repairing.

 

To be honest it isn't a bad thing. there are some birds that start off with red eyes and later they go more dark they are known as (plum eyes) and then there are those that stay red (red eyes). By cutting those out you are not allowing certain colours to come through... like cinamon, albino, lutino, lacewing, fallow... It isn't considered a birth defact with budgies... at least I've never heard of it used in that way...

 

I look forward to seeing your flock grow through your responsible breeding. It sounds like you have thought about it. Good on you!

 

This type of mutation is very common in budgies . In some species like us humans, dogs and others there are sometimes health issues that come with albinism but not in budgies . I think understanding how the ino gene works in reference to budgies is important. So know that breeding ino is okay in budgies and don't come with the health issues that some species do. I think this is where you are coming from? If not sorry.

 

Lutino/albino effectively erases all color and markings of a budgie, leaving only the base color (yellow or white). Lutino and albino are the same variety; they are just different names for the same variety in yellow-based budgies and white-based budgies. Lutinos are yellow based budgies,and are all yellow with red/pink eyes.

 

Albinos are white-based budgies and are all white with red/pink eyes. There are two mutations which show up on the lutino/albino. Cinnamon causes the head and wing markings to show up in a light brown color, creating the lacewing variety. Yellowface causes the albino, normally all white, to show different degrees of pale yellow. These budgies are sometimes called creamino. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color. The cere of the male lutino/albino budgie does not change normally. Adult male lutinos/albinos have purple ceres. Adult female lutinos/albinos have the normal white/tan/brown ceres.

 

Reference article: http://www.budgieplace.com/c_ino.html

 

 

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by KAZ

The thing with the red eyes is something I need to gain more knowledge, but to me it seemed that if I had birds paired that produced that mutation, it would be better for me to avoid repairing.

 

To be honest it isn't a bad thing. there are some birds that start off with red eyes and later they go more dark they are known as (plum eyes) and then there are those that stay red (red eyes). By cutting those out you are not allowing certain colours to come through... like cinamon, albino, lutino, lacewing, fallow... It isn't considered a birth defact with budgies... at least I've never heard of it used in that way...

 

I look forward to seeing your flock grow through your responsible breeding. It sounds like you have thought about it. Good on you!

 

This type of mutation is very common in budgies . In some species like us humans, dogs and others there are sometimes health issues that come with albinism but not in budgies . I think understanding how the ino gene works in reference to budgies is important. So know that breeding ino is okay in budgies and don't come with the health issues that some species do. I think this is where you are coming from? If not sorry.

 

Lutino/albino effectively erases all color and markings of a budgie, leaving only the base color (yellow or white). Lutino and albino are the same variety; they are just different names for the same variety in yellow-based budgies and white-based budgies. Lutinos are yellow based budgies,and are all yellow with red/pink eyes.

 

Albinos are white-based budgies and are all white with red/pink eyes. There are two mutations which show up on the lutino/albino. Cinnamon causes the head and wing markings to show up in a light brown color, creating the lacewing variety. Yellowface causes the albino, normally all white, to show different degrees of pale yellow. These budgies are sometimes called creamino. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color. The cere of the male lutino/albino budgie does not change normally. Adult male lutinos/albinos have purple ceres. Adult female lutinos/albinos have the normal white/tan/brown ceres.

 

Reference article: http://www.budgieplace.com/c_ino.html

 

 

 

You answered my query with exactly what I needed to know. Thank you for the reference link, this is the kind of info I need to try to understand what to do with my babies. Thank goodness I have a year + before they will be ready to breed, and it something I will be intruiged to find the right mate, also decide if I will keep the 4 that I have fluked, seeing as how they have unrelated parents.

Glad you found the information you needed. Good luck with the future breeding. I hope you find a place for ino's in your breeding somewhere... it would be a great addition!

Wonderful I am glad I could be of assistance

Just to fill you in on the 2 Summers (my twin Creamino's). Before we sent on our Annual Christmas break, I took some drastic action in my Avaries, had a massive cleanout, and my 2 Summers have gone looking for winter in another Avairy. It was a "yes I will" "no I wont" until I did the Ennie Miney Moe, that settled my argument. So now I have mainly 1+ Y.O females for my Breeding this year. have kept a few young ones looking to 2010.

At last 2 weeks on I finally get to post pictures of The 2 Summers my Red Eyed Yellow Twins. Perhaps now someone of you kind people who posted replies to me can now tell me what I have. Are they acceptable in the Budgie world, or are they rejects. I have no idea, and will appreciate feed back. xnannax43

 

 

 

Good for you!! I got a hatchling out of my last clutch that looks just like this one....

 

 

I hope the yellow on her darkens just like yours... Love your bird...

 

** Just so you know I was told by RIP that mine was a GF2 Albino AKA Creamino.

Edited January 6, 200916 yr by chrissy0705