i hope this works if so i found how to do something one point to me :rofl: :rofl: :hap: is anybody out there

Edited October 31, 200816 yr by maesie

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Edited October 24, 200816 yr by KAZ

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did they accidently breed lacewings?

did they accidently breed lacewings?

This breeder seems to be surprised by their appearance in the nestbox and I would guess would like to understand how they came to be from the parents

hi every body sorry did not get to finish my question got thrown off computer so will post picture now of mum dad and chicks but will need to read responses another time later this week so love any help i can get thank you all for being so understanding to my inability to use this sight properly yet GenericBlue

Edited December 20, 200816 yr by **Liv**

here are the parents of my baby's and the baby's can anyone please tell me what typing they could possibly be eg are they more likely to be double factor spangles or maybe lace wings or what how do i know if they are going to get the Cinnamon lacing like mum or stay as is and what should i pair with if or at all i keep and breed latter for the best possible result

 

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Edited October 31, 200816 yr by maesie
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Since both paresnts are spangle, both babies are double factor spangles

sorry liv wont happen again set camera to the size photo allowed but some reason computer made them bigger little brother told me how to fix that for future. bye everyone hope to see some helpful replys. that's what I thought, just got told different knew you guys would know so just to keep or not to keep till next time x x x x

Edited October 26, 200816 yr by **Liv**

They are double factor spangles, if they were lacewings they would have red eyes

 

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Two gorgeous little Double factor spangles and both little girls

I agree with everyone DF spangles .....

 

It is up to you if you can house them - Then keep them ..... I say ...

they are beautiful , welcome

Both type 2 yellow face double factor spangles. The cinnamon would have to come from the male to show in the chicks but I doubt that it would show on a double factor spangle.

 

I was looking forward to seeing lacewings because I'm surprised that they are not bred accidentally more often. Lacewings are a combination of the cinnamon and ino genes, so if a cinnamon was mated to an ino (lutino or albino) then any male chicks born from the pair would be split for both cinnamon and ino. These split males could father a small percentage of lacewing hens

Thanks Neville, that is so interesting

Agree, they're yf2 DF spangles, easy enough to confuse when young considering DF spangles are born with plum eyes

a df spangle has white cheek patches right?

 

Thanks Neville for the genetics lesson. For once I actually understood a sentance about genetics

yeah i am breeding a yellow face type two ino cock to a cinnamon wing spangle hen at moment first egg today so fingers crossed. i read somewhere you cannot breed ino to fallow is this so ?also should the cock be the ino or the hen for that outcome you expressed or does it not matter ?hi liv

 

hi all well can any one tell me the best combination for these chicks i have some lovely clear flight babys out box today mauve would that have a good result with my babys for future breeding if i keep them?

Edited December 20, 200816 yr by **Liv**

If the babies today are dominant pied then their chicks would be dominant pied spangle I think

yeah i am breeding a yellow face type two ino cock to a cinnamon wing spangle hen at moment first egg today so fingers crossed. i read somewhere you cannot breed ino to fallow is this so ?also should the cock be the ino or the hen for that outcome you expressed or does it not matter?

To produce males that are split to both ino and cinnamon it doesn't matter which way round the parents are. I your case all the female chicks will be ino. The odds of producing a lacewing from these split males is about 6.25%. The odds would probably be better if the split was mated to a cinnamon or an ino hen

 

There is no reason why you can't breed fallows to inos except that by doing so you are unlikely to improve either mutation.

Edited December 20, 200816 yr by **Liv**

I heard that when you breed ino to ino/lacewing/fallow that the size of the bird tends to be smaller. Maybe thats why they told you not to breed ino to fallow...

thanks neville

i have a short cut though.

my friend just got a yellow lace wing from me as i decided to stick to blue based, so will put split chick to her white lace wing.

but will see. maybe i will just stick to my dom rainbows later am going to breed some fallows but its hard to get nice blue base fallows out my way.

oh and the df spangles chicks do have a very faint cinnamon lace thats why i wondered if the could have had lace wing potential but unless dad split for cin its from mum as she is cin i was thinking thats why kaz said thay were hens

Edited October 31, 200816 yr by KAZ

If the chicks are showing cinnamon the dad must be split cinnamon as if only the mum was cinniman you would have no visual cinnamon and the cock chicks would be split

If the chicks are showing cinnamon the dad must be split cinnamon as if only the mum was cinniman you would have no visual cinnamon and the cock chicks would be split :party0011:

 

cheers mate so dad must be cin split can you tell me would i be best at putting him with a visual violet hen next time and also can anybody please tell me how close is too close when doing line breeding but my way which does not involve back crossing not yet any way as need to know the afects that could rezult all my birds have been seperately bread. For example two sets of two fresh blood lines to each other and then the partners swap. The chicks from these four breedings have not been bread at all yet. Then each one of these chicks have been bread with new blood. My question is Can i breed all of the outcome offspring which would retrospecively make them cousins? But this is my query.....Half are brother and sister from fathers side and half are brother and sister from mothers side. Noting that these chicks were not bread together.

 

all of them had freash blood partners so is it safe to breed all the half blood related birds chicks together .... i almost confuzed myself then