When have I posted a picture of my cage? I've never taken a picture of my cage. I've taken a picture of my birds through the bars in my cage. Unless you've been sneaking around my house, and looking through my windows you've got no idea what my cage is like, how big it is, what it has in it, i'd be surprised if you actually could tell what colour it is. Yes. Its round. No, its not square. is round rather than square.

In my original post l asked you if your cage is round because you can tell in your very first post that it is round. I only asked because it is known that it can cause stress to the birds since there are no corners that can be covered to make them feel more secure and less vulnerable. I'm taking a guess that your cage looks close to this

If so then this cage is too small for two budgies.

 

Member's on this forum gave you advice because you asked for it but it is your choice to do what you want, we only tell you of quarantine for the sake of your budgies. I and many others would be sad if anything went wrong for you and your budgies. I know what can happen when you do not quarantine but l will not go into it because you have already been told. I only hope for the best with you and your budgies :sadsorry:

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by birdluv

They are both really beautiful little birds. Are you sure Alpha is a male though? I can't really see his cere well from the photos. It does look blue, but I couldn't quite tell, but thought maybe I could see white around the nostrils? Would be good to see a clearer picture of his cere.

 

It's a shame this thread has become so heated, although I can understand why it has. Maybe the best thing you can do if you really aren't going to get another cage, is treat them together for all that you can like worms etc. I don't know what all the treatments are but I did read in a recent thread what Neat does over a 6 week period with her separated birds, maybe you can do that with them together (although if you do see dodgy poos you won't know whose they are), and hope for the best.

Re caging issues, i made it VERY clear from the get go i was planning an aviary. Did I not? I even opened opened up to suggestions for indoor aviaries. How can a bird get hurt in a round cage? Esp at the top? Mine has a mount at the top where it was meant to be able to hang, but the hook is broken at the very top so it doesn't hang. Which means where the bars all get very close together and tight is not accessible by the bird. Thats the only thought on how it could get hurt at the top. When we got the cage it had fly screen/netting over the top of it for some reason. I took this off as soon as i got it because a) it was harder to clean and collected dust and whatnot, i was worried her claws (not sure what you call them) would get stuck in there.

 

If you spend half an hour between 16 birds, I don't see how anyone can call me time poor. I wouldn't call you time poor. I spend half an hour at least with Skye (and now Alpha). That includes cleaning the cage out every day (Skye is a VERY messy eater and kicks most of her seed out of the feeder i think), giving her water and food, spending some time talking to her, laughing at her silly tricks (hanging upside down etc) and playing with her (she has some 1/4 shoe laces tied to some of the bars for her to pull and tug at) so i wriggle those around for her. And then maybe for an hour extra i'm in the same room as her but on the computer and talk to her if she starts talking to me. But other than that she was alone as she was not in a busy room, she was closed off in a study. Thats why I felt the need for a companion for her. I don't see how that is being time poor.

 

If I had a whole flock, then yes, I would either not get the bird or quarantine. But this is 2 birds, I care about them, but i'm not exactly risking the health of 10+ birds here. Its not something that is going to spread and birds will be dropping. To buy another cage when i'm only going to be using it once, for a month, is not something I can do. Its not a cost I can justify. Don't get me wrong, I did look. I did look for cages, at prices etc. And the price tags i saw, i was not impressed with.

 

Borrowing cages, is very nice of you to offer. But i'm not comfortable with it. I'm going to be blunt. I can't borrow things from people. I just cant, i feel wrong doing it. It doesnt make sense but thats just how it is. Add on the fact I don't know any of you makes it worse. I wouldn't even borrow a cage from my best friend, but i do thank you all for offering.

 

You also have to accept that people do ask questions, and sometimes do not take your advise. But don't write them off. I may not have done what you wanted re quarantine, but it doesn't mean I ignore what you say. Esp regarding foods, I HAVE listened, and I HAVE implemented. I no longer give them lettuce as even though I read on other websites its okay for them, your experiences tell that it gives runny poo and generally has no use. I used to put carrot sticks and anything like that through the bars for them to pick at, and as a suggestion someone said to put it in their food bowls instead of seperate, and I did. I think she had a bit of herbs last night I gave her (fresh parsley) because I put it in her food bowl, not sure if she liked it though.If one of my birds is sick, then I will obviously learn my lesson. All you can do is advise and inform.

 

I do understand the need for quarantine, but I can't justify it for just 2 birds. If I had a whole flock like the majority of you then yes, it would be very silly. But don't get me wrong, I care about animals and dont want any to get sick or hurt, 2 birds I can't justify the outlay of another cage and anything else to try and separate them. There is only the one desk they sit on. I have experienced death of animals before. Its not nice. When my partners cat had kittens, the first one out ended up dying, and i'm the one that found it. Picked it up to pet it and it was dead. Horrific experience for me I ended up bawling my eyes out. But these things happen. Life is not bulletproof. Whether it be human or animal. Its something you've always got to be prepared for. Makes it easier to deal with.

 

Just on a side note of quarantine, the breeder I got Alpha from (god I hope she isnt a member here, because i feel bad saying this about her), didn't say anything about quarantine. I asked her specifically, is there anything I need to do before or while introducing the new budgie to Skye, and she said no, just put him in. They might peck and squabble with each other for a bit but they'll settle. Is that a question you would usually answer quarantine to? Is it something that would have slipped her mind or do you think she doesn't quarantine or recommend it?

 

Yes as I said I would treat them together if need be. It is probably alot better to do that really. I have only had Skye a week and got her from a pet shop, and got Alpha yesterday. I have had BOTH for less than 4 weeks, so I can assume that I don't know if either are sick. If I can treat them both for whatever could be out there, then that makes things a bit simpler. Otherwise I would just be treating my only birds in two separate cages the same thing. I'll have to look in and see what I can get to help them. Is it best to get these things from the pet shops? I know when I got Skye the recommended a whole line of stuff. I didn't get any, not because i intended not to ever get any, but I wanted to look up what I need first, now just what they recommend. So thats what i'm going to do today! Make a list of things I can start getting.

 

Thank you for saying they are lovely I think they are both beautiful.

 

I have been in two minds really about Alpha's sex also. His cere is very very blue, but is quite pale around the nostrils also. I will try to get a photo of it tonight. Its a very deep blue/DARK purple with light around the nostrils (i wouldn't say white but it certainly is very pale). I know that Skye's cere was a light purple with more evident white around the nostrils, it almost like a pearl colour. The breeder said he was a he though.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
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It probably means she doesn't quarantine, given you wouldn't know whether she had introduced any new birds to her flock recently it potentially makes the risks to Skye even larger, hopefully you are lucky though and they are fine.

 

I should add that quarantine is actually not just recommended by us, it is part of the government guidelines for captive birds and is right up there with proper housing and adequate food and shelter.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by melbournebudgies

I know its not just recommended by you guys. I have read alot about it, even off the forum. I wanted to know if there were any suggestions or ways that people quarantine that would make it do-able for me. But what I found not on the forum just made it harder!!! I read someone say they need to be in a different building?! Or at least at the other side of a house so not to share air space as dust and food can drift through the air?! Or someone said keep one inside and one outside for the month?

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat

This may be of interest to you, it is the full guidelines and includes cage sizes, etc also.

 

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nreninf.nsf/...19000efd10?open

We have masses of quarantine topics on this forum. pinned topics, faq topics and searches will find other topics. Quarantine must be ai minimum for 5 metres away preferable in another airspace / room or whatever.

The amount of budgies concerned, whether you have 2 or 200 should not be at issue here. If you had 200 a breeder should also have enough knowledge to know the need, but its isnt about the amount or the possibly loss of quantity of birds or perhaps even dollar value of loss of a larger amount of birds.

The fact that a so called breeder has told you no need to quarantine shows her or his practices. It means they are lacking the essential practices of responsible bird keeping and increases the need for you to over ride and do quarantine yourself.

In this day and age with so much wonderful info available to us by the internet and willing and helpful like minded bird owning souls....we are very lucky.

 

PS I think your new bird is a hen too, but will check back with better pictures.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat

If you are getting a new friend for her you will need to seperate them from each other for a 1 month quarantine to make sure they aren't carrying anything to make each other sick. Where in Aus are you located?

 

You were advised from MB about quarantine BEFORE you went out and bought your 2nd budgie so saying you asked the breeder and she didn't say anything about quarantine is not a valid reason. In fact MB even offered one of her babies to you and talked about quarantine in that post where you said yes you were excited about that concept and then you could buy a quarantine cage.

 

I have went through this post again from top to bottom and I don't appreciate you pulling out ONE of my phrases and not reading the rest. I did say I don't spend 24/7 with Merlin who is a single bird after his partner passed away suddenly 2 years ago. I DON'T have kids that play with my bird in and I am not retired. I do have 3 cats, 2 dogs and 2 kids and Merlin is the center of it all.

 

You can google anywhere and you will see that a ROUND cage is not suitable for a budgie period. Your right you said you would think about an aviary AFTER you asked your landlord about pets you were not definite on it. We have tons of information about suitable cages for 1 budgie and then more...all you have to do is research it for yourself if you don't want to listen to reason.

 

If you don't believe the members of this forum then do your own research in books, google information on budgies, we are not nuts we are telling you the TRUTH and FACTS about cages, quarantine, the reasons why you should etc...

 

The fact is you refuse to change/listen to reason and that is your choice, your birds WILL probably be okay and if they are not what that is just 2 birds not a 10 plus birds it is what is 2 lives right. That mentality of it is just a bird gets people into many a predicament.

 

When I first chatted with you I was like WOW a someone is committed to their pets now I am not so sure...

 

This will be it for me on this post, it is a waste of time to argue with someone who is not willing to be open minded for the benefits of their pets.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat

Re caging issues, i made it VERY clear from the get go i was planning an avery. Did I not? I even opened opened up to suggestions for indoor averies. How can a bird get hurt in a round cage? Esp at the top? Mine has a mount at the top where it was meant to be able to hang, but the hook is broken at the very top so it doesn't hang. Which means where the bars all get very close together and tight is not accessable by the bird. Thats the only thought on how it could get hurt at the top. When we got the cage it had flyscreen/netting over the top of it for some reason. I took this off as soon as i got it because a) it was harder to clean and collected dust and whatnot, i was worried her claws (not sure what you call them) would get stuck in there.With the cage ... It had flyscreen on it weird .. Birds esp budgies will eat that and digest it .. leading to gizzard problems So good move on that one as well as their claws getting caught like you said.... Even though it has a hook on it and looking from the inside up to the top would have a metal plate on it if you get a skewer and slide the tip of it unto the top ... you will see it gets stuck ... if we then look at the budgies claws compare their claws and toes to the tip of the skewer ! see where we are coming from ????If you spend half an hour between 16 birds, I don't see how anyone can call me time poor. I wouldn't call you time poor. Doesn't bother me if they do call me time poor ... I do not have any INDOOR birds - water and food bowls are cleaned and topped everyday and the aviary is hosed out everyday ....I have 6 birds in quarantine .... They are done last .... When you get the hang of it you pick up speed Everything is easily accessed ....With one of the breeders avairies it takes me 30 mins to complety do That includes checking all babies .... Changing nesting materials changing food water etc ( since alot of members aren't breeders There was no need for me to post that .. I spend half an hour atleast with Skye (and now Alpha). That includes cleaning the cage out every day (Skye is a VERY messy eater and kicks most of her seed out of the feeder i think), giving her water and food, spending some time talking to her, laughing at her silly tricks (hanging upside down etc) and playing with her (she has some 1/4 shoe laces tied to some of the bars for her to pull and tug at) so i wriggle those around for her. And then maybe for an hour extra i'm in the same room as her but on the computer and talk to her if she starts talking to me. But other than that she was alone as she was not in a busy room, she was closed off in a study.Inside birds you have that time to interact with them . and it is great to see that you are spending time with her Thats why I felt the need for a companion for her. I don't see how that is being time poor.If I had a whole flock, then yes, I would either not get the bird or quarantine. But this is 2 birds, I care about them, but i'm not exactly risking the health of 10+ birds here.I am really sorry to ruffle your feathers and I am sure i will do so again now ... If you were any animal lover that you have clearly stated you are ... You would never had said this .....How can 1 justify the cost of a life of 1 bird to 10 or more ... I am not a greener or a vegan or any of that But am i person that love animals - and to me you treat 1 as you would treat 3, 5 , 10 or more ...They deserve the right to a HEALTHY AND HAPPY HOME! - That would be like ( to me ) you sending a kid into a room full of people that are infected with Sars .....!!!!! Its not something that is going to spread and birds will be dropping. ARE YOU SURE! ... Do you know what MEGABACTERIA IS ... ....PBFD - These are DISEASES that are in HIDDEN FORMS - you may not see signs of it So YES THEY WILL JUST DROP DEAD!!!! To buy another cage when i'm only going to be using it once, for a month, is not something I can do.YOU ARE WRONG ... Hospital cages ..... Sapre cages are used for this prupose Its not a cost I can justify.So Can you jusify your cats Toys.... Your other anmials living arrangments .... Don't get me wrong, I did look. I did look for cages, at prices etc. And the price tags i saw, i was not impressed with. Borrowing cages, is very nice of you to offer. But i'm not comfortable with it. I'm going to be blunt. I can't borrow things from people. I just cant, i feel wrong doing it. It doesnt make sence but thats just how it is. Add on the fact I don't know any of you makes it worse. I wouldn't even borrow a cage from my best friend, but i do thank you all for offering.You also have to accept that people do ask questions, and sometimes do not take your advise. But don't write them off. I may not have done what you wanted re quarantine, but it doesn't mean I ignore what you say. Esp regarding foods, I HAVE listened, and I HAVE implemented. I no longer give them lettuce as even though I read on other websites its okay for them, your experiences tell that it gives runny poo and generally has no use. I used to put carrot sticks and anything like that through the bars for them to pick at, and as a suggestion someone said to put it in their food bowls instead of seperate, and I did. I think she had a bit of herbs last night I gave her (fresh parsley) because I put it in her food bowl, not sure if she liked it though.If one of my birds is sick, then I will obviously learn my lesson. All you can do is advise and inform. I do understand the need for quarantine, but I can't justify it for just 2 birds. If I had a whole flock like the majority of you then yes, it would be very silly. But don't get me wrong, I care about animals and dont want any to get sick or hurt, 2 birds I can't justify the outlay of another cage and anything else to try and seperate them. There is only the one desk they sit on. I have experienced death of animals before. Its not nice. When my partners cat had kittens, the first one out ended up dying, and i'm the one that found it. Picked it up to pet it and it was dead. Horrific experience for me I ended up bawling my eyes out. But these things happen. Life is not bulletproof. Whether it be human or animal. Its something you've always got to be prepared for. Makes it easier to deal with.Just on a side note of quarantine, the breeder I got Alpha from (god I hope she isnt a member here, because i feel bad saying this about her), didn't say anything about quarantine. I asked her specifically, is there anything I need to do before or while introducing the new budgie to Skye, and she said no, just put him in. They might peck and squabble with eachother for a bit but they'll settle. Is that a question you would usually answer quarantine to? Is it something that would have slipped her mind or do you think she doesn't quarantine or recommend it?Yes as I said I would treat them together if need be. It is probably alot better to do that really. I have only had Skye a week and got her from a pet shop, and got Alpha yesterday. I have had BOTH for less than 4 weeks, so I can assume that I don't know if either are sick. If I can treat them both for whatever could be out there, then that makes things a bit simpler. Otherwise I would just be treating my only birds in two seperate cages the same thing. I'll have to look in and see what I can get to help them. Is it best to get these things from the pet shops? I know when I got Skye the recommended a whole line of stuff. I didn't get any, not because i intended not to ever get any, but I wanted to look up what I need first, now just what they recommend. So thats what i'm going to do today! Make a list of things I can start getting.Thankyou for saying they are lovely I think they are both beautiful. I have been in two minds really about Alpha's sex also. His cere is very very blue, but is quite pale around the nostrils also. I will try to get a photo of it tonight. Its a very deep blue/DARK purple with light around the nostrils (i wouldn't say white but it certainly is very pale). I know that Skye's cere was a light purple with more evident white around the nostrils, it almost like a pearl colour. The breeder said he was a he though.ALL THE MORE REASONS TO QUARANTINE YOUR BIRD !!!!

I know its not just recommended by you guys. I have read alot about it, even off the forum. I wanted to know if there were any suggestions or ways that people quarantine that would make it do-able for me. But what I found not on the forum just made it harder!!! I read someone say they need to be in a different building?! Or atleast at the other side of a house so not to share air space as dust and food can drift through the air?! Or someone said keep one inside and one outside for the month?

With quaratining It is easy mate .....You don't need to have them in a seperate building .... That is Bollocks .... If they are inside they need to be in at least another room ... This is because the outside has wind that blows and inside is confined ...There are a few things that can be spread by dust, and feathers along with POO .. Birds eat and peck at poo ....There are a few things that you can do mate ..... Just ask that is why were are here ......

My husband introduced one scarlet parrot to his aviary once with no quarantine. He had literally bird after bird dropping down dead. That bird was carrying psittacosis. I then contracted it from caring for his sick and dying birds

At the end of it my husband lost more than half the content of his aviary to psittacosis.

 

 

An article from the net

 

Question: Are Round Cages Really Bad for Birds?

Answer:

 

Round cages are not recommended for most bird species, for a variety of reasons.

 

The first reason that these cages can be bad news is because they can be detrimental to a parrot's psychological health. Birds are very intelligent creatures, but many have driven themselves crazy climbing around and around cylindrical cages, and feeling like they're never getting anywhere. Giving a bird an angular cage provides them with reference points to different locations in their territories -- thus helping them feel confident, safe, and secure.

 

Another reason to avoid round cages is because they are often awkward living spaces for a bird to inhabit. They very way that they are shaped causes many bird's feathers to be in constant contact with the cage bars, wearing them down and giving the bird a ragged appearance.

 

Round cages can also be difficult to maintain. Because most bird cages are now square or rectangular in shape, it can be hard to find certain accessories that will fit round cages -- like cuttlebone and millet holders, seed cups, and cage liners. For this reason, it may be easier on both you and your pet to opt for a square or rectangular cage. By doing so, you can provide your pet with a comfortable home, and provide yourself with a cage that is easy to keep clean and well stocked with fun accessories

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by KAZ

And on the note of justifying costs Kaz would you care to share how much some of those birds were worth?

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat

And on the note of justifing csts Kaz would you care to share how much some of those birds were worth?

We lost about $3,500 worth of birds.

So for the sake of a $50 cage and one month you could have saved $3500!

 

I don't know how much your budgies cost you Whit but a spare cage is a fantastic investment for those occasions when they have to be seperated or if one needs to go to the vet. The second cage doesn't have to be as large as your main cage as it is only used for shorter periods for a single bird in your case.

I do care about my animals, ALL of them. And for someone to suggest I don't, I find that VERY offencive, please refrain from posting in here again as I will not tollerate that. IfI did not care about my pets I would not be here. I would not be asking questions, I would not be learning. If I didn't look after or care about my pets I wouldn't have so many. People would complain, and they would die.

 

There is no differece between 1 and 10, I know that. But I can't justify the cost. I'm not rich, i'm trying to my best by all. I don't want Skye sick and I don't want her lonely. Either way something bad could happen I just have to make a decision and do whatever I can to make it go the right way.

 

Yeah the cage did have flyscreen on it, tied on with fishing wire. I'm not sure what kind of bird they had in it, maybe it was a bigger one that wouldnt get its claws stuck or something?

 

Once again with room for quarantine, there is only the one room. We can't move anything to another room, thats why i'm stuck. These aren't excuses. I litterally can't do it. We have 3 rooms. 1 room is our bedroom, in which my male cat won't leave because he's currently afraid of the kittens which we are trying to find homes for. I think he's getting an attachment issue he goes nuts when me and my partner go in there, he tries to jump on us and meows until we cuddle him :/ And our other room is the room where all our cats sleep and where one of them eats (one has a very fussy diet we need to buy the expensive food for her and because we do have alot of cats its only her that gets it because its too expensive so the door is closed when she's fed). Lounge room is where the cats spend most their time. Kitchen benchs are where the cats spend most the time getting told off haha. Outside the dog would get the cage. Laundry is where the cat litters are, bathroom and toilet, who puts a pet in the bathroom or toilet, and thats it. Thats our house to a T.

 

We don't actually buy our cats toys. We make them. Their favourite things are little paper balls about the sze of a marble because they bat them around the floor, pick them up in their mouthes and throw them etc. You should see the collection of little paper balls under our couches when we go to clean under them hahaha.

 

The dog gets tennis balls mostly. Partner gets them from work. We got him toys once or twice, we even got him this treat ball that was made of such hard plastic they called it indestructable... He ate it. He chewed a great big hole in it overnight!!!

 

Now this arguing business needs to stop. I don't know why it got this bad in the first place. Its done, it was done yesterday, they're together, and its too late to seperate them. Unless someone has any suggestions on how to make it less risky, easier, medications that could be used etc, i dont want to hear any more on the subject.

 

Thankyou for the link about cage sizes etc. Now I have a guide on what to make my avery whether it be indoor or outdoor

 

I'm worried he's really a she too I've read 2 females don't get along so well, so I hope it doesn't turn out to be the case. I'll get a picture tonight and put it up. With Skye I knew straight away as the white was really evident. Its not really evident on Alpha, but i do have to admit its very pale But its a very deep blue, if that helps. I know the white nostrils mean female but i don't know much about cere colour.

please refrain from posting in here again as I will not tollerate that.

 

 

Now this arguing business needs to stop. I don't know why it got this bad in the first place. Its done, it was done yesterday, they're together, and its too late to seperate them.

One thing about posting on an OPEN FORUM is you will get answers and posts you may or may not like to hear. That is our right as you have posed questions.

There is no arguing here...just differing points of view. People will always find ways to justify what they do right or wrong. Most of us here feel like we are bashing our heads up against a brick wall anyway, so obviously you will do what you do and fingers crossed.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by KAZ

Would your cats really bother them if you had a cage in the main part of the house up off the floor? I have one cat, two dogs, plus two kids, lizards, a free range rabbit and my birds. The cat is interested but she wouldn't leap on the cage and while the birds may watch her nervously for the first day or two they soon realise that the cat is on the floor and they are safe in their cage. If you had a cage on a stand then they would be up out of reach.

I know this is an open forum and I cannot stop them, but I want this person to realise that wont be tollerated by me and retrain from posting to me again out of their own decision to respect others wishes. It is very disrespectful to pass judgement on someone, I have been posting limited posts here for less than a week and am being told I don't care about my animals.

 

I have brought out the cage once or twice and sat it ontop of the chest freezer in the dining area for about 15mins. But I had to litterally stand there like a goalie to stop the cats from jumping up to it. They'd stalk it and they'd get ready to jump up ontop of the chest freezer and I didn't let them so I don't know what they would do from there. My attachment issues fat boy (hes a biiiiiig cat but a biiiiiiig wuss) i think is the only one who has ever "brought a bird home" before. But we've come to realise it was probably already dead because he runs like he really needs to poo 24/7 and is really big and slow theres no way he could have caught one. He got hit by a car though so we keep him inside now so all the birdies are safe

 

I know all the other cats like to sit at the windows and watch the birds and sometimes meow at them, i don't think i've ever seen them licking their lips haha. But i'm not sure what the reaction would be. Do you think they could learn? And even if they could learn not to touch it while i'm there, would they refrain from doing it if i'm not in the room? My partner wants to hang the cage from the roof but I don't think you'd be able to see the birdies in there, plus i'm thinking it may be a head hitting hazard or if a cat can jump high enough a swinging hazard!

I think you could tecah your cats using the old spray bottle method not to bother with them. Most cats will sit and watch them that is nothing unusual, the only real worry is if they are going to knock it over, once they realise that the bird is behind bars they usually don't bother any more. The main reason you were having issues with putting it on the freezer is because there was space next tio the cage for the cats to jump up to

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by melbournebudgies

I can't use spray bottles around 2 of my cats. They're absolutely terrified of anything that sprays to the point they'll go into hiding for a few days. An 'ex friend' of mine was scared of cats and sprayed them with deoderant one day when they went near him when i wasn't looking.

 

So they're now terrified of anything that makes a spray sound whether it be spray cleaner, deoderant etc. They smelt nice, but that gave away what happened. I think it may have also burnt them a little when it happened. It was years ago but it still scares them. An alternative I used to use for that was a bowl of water i'd dip my fingers in and flick bits at them its the same effect but no spray. But that would either involve being near the cage all the time to do that or to have a bowl of water near it and that would just entice them to drink it.

 

Plus some of them are young like 6 months old, would they be able to pick this up quickly enough? They do actually respond quite well just having their name said in an angry voice at them. They tend to stop and back away from things. But would this be enough to teach them not to use their instinct and get the bird?

what an exciting thread... everyone is feeling the love, isn't it great. I have nothing to add cos I don't think it will make a difference. Whit3tig3y has made a decision. Whether we agree with it or not. Hopefully the birds don't die. Maybe they will maybe they won't... I know I would be devistated if I introduced a bird to lip and len and then they died, but thats me... maybe I'm to emotional I dunno...

Hey you can say me ... Cause I said it .... And well ... That is all I really have to say .. I am not sorry for it ..

 

But I will not sit here and Be told - not to post!

 

You have been given Advice from the "get go" and you clearly were going along with it ...

 

But the urge to buy a new birds was to strong! - But it is good to see that your cats and dogs have a playful loving home with lots of room ....

 

If you can't afford to HOUSE - FEED - CARE FOR PETS bet it 1 $5 bird or a $2,500 fish ... Don't have them ...

 

The fact that you lock away your cats and dogs in a CAR away from your home, when the land lord is present ... leads be to believe what I first stated ...

I don't like the idea either But whats done is done I can't take it back, I need to accept it and everyone else does too and just move past it.I still want to learn and share with all of you, so i do hope it does pass.

 

What would you prefer I do? Send them to a shealter? 10mins in a transport cage vs the possibility of having to be put down because ALOT of animals are put down, strays and unwanted animals are a real problem lately.

 

Because I can't afford to own my own home I have to give up my friends? We don't actually lock the dog in a car, that would be obsurd. One of us takes him for a walk and one of us stays for the land lord. You just can't seem to please those who think they are better than everyone else.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by whit3tig3y

I think we better ask our real estate first LOL. We're renting, and aren't actually allowed animals. And if you'll see the list of animals i have this is a disaster lol. But dogs and cats can be put in travel cages and hidden in cars parked a street away. An aviary cant!!! I'm actually going to ask their permission to have a few birds, if they say yes, aviary goes ahead! If they say no, it will just have to be the cage, as a cage you can hide! Surely they can't mind a few birds, its not like they are let free to roam around and destroy things!!!!

I think I was going to say dogs and cats can be hidden, but decided to elaborate. The dog doesn't go in the car, my partner usually takes him for a walk and I deal with the realestate. We wouldnt let the dog loose in the car, he'd put white furr everywhere and chew the seats etc. The cats go in their travel cages for 10-15mins and (as it was with our old house) get parked next door because we knew the neighbour, and the windows left down for air. Then as soon as the realestate is gone we go get them and let them out until next time.

 

We've never had any problems doing this.

You say you have travel cages for the cats. Some of these can be easily converted for use as a quarantine cage for a budgie.