I'd be really careful about having animals when you rent... especially when you are not allowed. You might get evicted. They can also do spot inspections if they suspect anything.

I have been renting with animals for nearly 5 years, and my partner the same. Never had a problem. Theory is, if we keep the place in good repair and really clean, and they don't notice them during inspections, there is no harm done. Though we do flea treat the place ourselves before we leave just to make sure and there is always the requirement to have carpets etc done no matter if you have pets or not. I know they can do spot inspections, I also know they really do need to have a reason to do it. Unless animal excrement is found here (other than cat as cats do wander into other back yards, front yards etc), they see an animal inside the property or any damage that could be SPECIFICALLY be caused by animals being in the house, then they really can't do it.

It is up to you what you do of course and we are not here to lecture but do be careful it is a big risk, it sometime is the noisy neighbors that snitch and tell the landlord for whatever reason, it makes me sad to see an animal put into a rehoming situation that could have been avoided.

We would never rehome an animal. We would leave and live somewhere else. There is ALWAYS a way out of a lease.

We would never rehome an animal. We would leave and live somewhere else. There is ALWAYS a way out of a lease.

 

Unforunately a lot of people don't think like you.

I'm currently studying law, i know you cannot be trapped into a lease. There are ALWAYS exit options, most people don't know this though. My animals come before ANY money hungry realestate. It would be like saying get rid of a child, i wouldn't do that. They're my babies, my cat Syra in particular has come from the other side of the country with me, endured 2 months of a cattery and has put up with me for nearly 5 years, i'm not abandoning her or ANY of my babies

Edited October 19, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

So I got Skye her friend

 

Introducing... ALPHA!!!!! The breeder said he's a cobalt spangle but i think its more sky blue again. What do you think?

 

 

More pictures of Skye:

I would say he is cobalt. You are asking for trouble not quarantining him though

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

I don't have another cage to :laughter: Theres not really much I can do, just hope for the best. She really is lonely I'll keep an eye on them. All the birds at the breeder looked in good condition so its not really him i'd be worried about, it would be Skye as she came from a pet shop. She seems a bit happier now though, she's sitting on her perch whistling away looking at Alpha. Theres two birds though, its manageable. If I had several birds I wouldn't chuck him in, too much to lose.

 

One thing i've also noticed is Skye is quite a bit bigger than him. He's about 2/3 of the size of her, and you can see he still has colour coming through on top of his head. And he is about 3 months old. If the pet shop said she was 8 weeks old, i think either she's a massive budgie or she really is older than what i got told, because i think she pretty much has all her colours sorted out.

 

Hopefully he doesn't take too long to settle in. I think he's a bit intimidated by her lol. They're sitting only about 10cm apart but he's just watching her, and she's preening herself like a lady fixing her lipstick haha. Hopefully she's nice to him as well

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

Poor birdy What happened to that one?

 

Skye seems to be biting everything now. She was sitting on her lower perch biting the one just above her. and was sitting on the perch near her feeder and was biting the feeder. Is that something to do with Alpha being there or is she just having a temporary insane moment? :laughter:

It's is something that can happen if you do not quarantine ! ....

Along with

And

 

 

this is one of the diseases that could be introduced to your lonely bird by not quarantining . better to have a lonely bird for another month than to have 2 sick birds or worse , NO? ive lost 2 of my birds this week , and i cant help think i was careless with my hygiene after visiting a breeder who had just a "few" sick birds . for example my birds looked fine one day and were gone the next and there is nothing i can do to bring them back !just because you dont see any sick birds doesnt guarantee there are none . good luck with your choice not to quarantine , i hope you get lucky . by the way your birds are gorgeous . i would agree the new one is cobalt spangle

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
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Well its either that or I don't get Skye a companion, she gets lonely and depressed and starts learning destructive habits. I've read that birds can even start to pull out their own feathers out of loneliness and boredom. This way there is a chance one of them has something, but its not be all and end all, its not a definite thing that they have something. But if left by herself she'll get into bad habits.

 

She immediately seems happier. In just these last few hours. They're talking to each other, her personality is coming out. She's showing off, hanging upside down, being all cute and funny. Every time Alpha turns his head from her she sneaks along the perch and edges her head towards his tail feathers, he looks and her and she acts all innocent. They're sitting with each other, so I don't think they're going to have a problem getting along. They're both being inquisitive.

 

Even if I had another cage to quarantine them, I don't have the room for them to be far enough apart. This is the only room they can be in because of the cats. Maybe 4m at most, and with the door constantly closed so cats don't eat them for dinner. If one of them was sick, in this kind of environment, it would just spread anyway. They would share the same air.

 

The good news is after our trip to the breeder, my partner is getting more interested in having an aviary. We may even end up building an outdoor one (and some how making it so it can be dis-assembled if we move because we rent) and making it dog proof, as thats probably easier than making an indoor aviary cat proof because cats will just climb the mesh. Maybe not to breed, we still haven't decided. But we do want a few more budgies, even if its not for breeding. I then have the cage for quarantine.

 

But at this stage, either option, to quarantine or to not quarantine, wouldn't make a difference in the space we have, and the situation the birds are in. All I can do is watch and hope they're both okay. And figure out a disaster control plan if one of them does start to seem a little off. I know your all probably sitting there grinding your teeth, but this is all I can do.

 

We've decided that this will be "the bird room". Its the easiest room to make bird proof. A question I have is if i let them out to just fly around the room (while i'm in here of course, never unsupervised), is the whole point for them to have a new area or is the point to let them spread their wings? Because i've been thinking a few sheets over some of the desks would aid against things being damaged or poo'd on. But they might find it boring.

Edited October 19, 200816 yr by Neat
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I am not here to tell members THAT THEY MUST DO WHAT I SAY .... That isn't me at all .....

 

I just wanted to show you and other members the importance of it .....

 

Hopefully you are lucky and that there isn't any underlining health problems - As each animal including us has it's own bacteria good and bad and sometimes it just doesn't "blend" with the other one bacteria ....

 

That is why some people get cold sores - and others don't - Why some budgies get sick in a flock and other don't ....

 

How big is the cage that they are in now ????

 

 

Learning Bad Habits and Feather plucking themselves is from a COMPLETE Neglect of the owner ... This is often seen in Birds that are left in the back yard with no interaction with humans or other birds

Well its either that or I don't get Skye a companion, she gets lonely and depressed and starts learning destructive habits. I've read that birds can even start to pull out their own feathers out of loneliness and boredom. This way there is a chance one of them has something, but its not be all and end all, its not a definite thing that they have something. But if left by herself she'll get into bad habits. You know I don't want to be mean but if you didn't have the time for owning a budgie (just 1) then maybe you could have reconsidered not purchasing one or if you already have her re homing her. Having 2 birds you don't have time for is just as bad as having 1. Budgies are NOT pluckers it is usually an underlying disease if they do pluck. Owner neglect is what causes this destructive behavior not being lonely. I have 1 budgie and don't have issues and I don't spend 24/7 with him by any means and he is a very well rounded bird. It is okay to get another bird but for the right reasons, now you will have 2 birds you don't have time for and then when you want to spend time with them on your terms you will be very surprised that you will have now 2 budgies that are on the "wild" side. Maybe I am off and reading your comments incorrectly and if I am I apologize right now. Many members have over 50 birds but they do care for them and you will be surprised how many say their aviary birds respond to them because they are well taken care of.

She immediately seems happier. In just these last few hours. They're talking to each other, her personality is coming out. She's showing off, hanging upside down, being all cute and funny. Every time Alpha turns his head from her she sneaks along the perch and edges her head towards his tail feathers, he looks and her and she acts all innocent. They're sitting with each other, so I don't think they're going to have a problem getting along. They're both being inquisitive. They are always happeir with their own species this is very normal.

Even if I had another cage to quarantine them, I don't have the room for them to be far enough apart. This is the only room they can be in because of the cats. Maybe 4m at most, and with the door constantly closed so cats don't eat them for dinner. If one of them was sick, in this kind of environment, it would just spread anyway. They would share the same air. Whit this is NO excuse this is something you should have considered when bought the 1st bird and then the 2nd bird quarantine is a MUST no matter if they are just 3 feet apart with sheets on the sides of the cage that is okay. Not all virus are airborne many are transferred ONLY from bird contact or them feeding each other like bacteria or virus that lay in the gut. I have cats I quarantined both Pretty and Merlin for 30 days period.

The good news is after our trip to the breeder, my partner is getting more interested in having an aviary. We may even end up building an outdoor one (and some how making it so it can be dis-assembled if we move because we rent) and making it dog proof, as thats probably easier than making an indoor aviary cat proof because cats will just climb the mesh. Maybe not to breed, we still haven't decided. But we do want a few more budgies, even if its not for breeding. I then have the cage for quarantine. Before you get anymore birds you must have the time for them 1 bird is simple compared to the mess more birds can make, the clean up, the daily food regiment of veggies, fruits cuts up, water cleaning and more....breeding is even more extensive if you want to do it right. Just reading right now on the boards how many people have issues with their babies with the parents not feeding them, the babies are dead in the nest and they don't know why, air in the crop and now lungs there is so much that can happen. I ask that you stick around really educate yourself.

 

I am sorry but saying you don't have 1 time for 1 bird and wanting to add more doesn't sit well with me. Time is not just spending time with the bird and taming it, it is caring for the basic needs plus and making sure you have the money to get extra cages. How can you add more birds if you are not willing to quarantine.

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

You have come to the very best Budgie forum on the internet today. We have more real experts here than any other forum. We tell you how it is and not just what you want to hear...right or wrong. Members ask for our advice and we give it. Sometimes the member is upset because they hear what they dont want to. Some people do what they want to do regardless of good advice.....and of course no one can make you do what you do not want to do.

This is a forum that loves to get excited about new budgies and new budgie pictures. But there are far too many EXPERTS on here that will be most upset when vital steps are circumvented and the member still expects the "oohs and aahs" over pretty new budgie pictures.

How hard it is for those of us seasoned budgie owners, breeders to give good advice time and time again to find it is ignored. There are so many reasons given by members for not quarantining and frankly the reasons have more to do with the needs of the budgie owner than the needs of the budgie. The budgie is used as the excuse for not quarantining but the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is a whole pile of excuses.

This comes about due to the excitement and thrill the member / budgie owner has at seeing that "next budgie"and just having to buy it then and there and bring it home. That accounts for the impulse buys at pet shops. But those who set out to plan and visit a breeder to bring home the next budgie, without putting vital steps into place first, despite all good information to be found here...and advice freely and cheerfully given by members who give of their time, their knowledge and their heartfelt sharing nature........those that plan to bring home a budgie had better have the budgie's best interests at heart.

Doesnt matter what kind of wonderful general pet owner anyone is, with each new situation, some thought and preparation must go into these things to make the safest introduction of the new pet to the home become an actual certainty.

For those of us who have EXPERIENCED losses due to early days and no quarantine procedures in place.........we speak from greater knowledge and actual experiences than you can possibly imagine. I have seen beautiful birds go down like a ton of bricks having contracted psittacosis from a carrier bird who "LOOKED HEALTHY". Once the incubation period has occurred....these birds can be dead within 24 hrs of showing symptoms and they suffer greatly just before they die.

I am still blown away by the cage that you have that isnt right for one budgie but now houses two.

Quarantine can be achieved with thought and planning if you care to do it.

You have already stated that you are "time poor" and that is why the second budgie. Surely some real time taken to implement steps for the healths sake of these birds would be time well spent. Goodness, you dont even need to take the time to think about it as we will do that for you and have done.

STRESS equals illness in budgies.

Stress is

being caught

moved

new cage

insufficient space

transition from aviary to cage

new environment

new "friends"

new food

breeding

 

I believe a lot on the list above fits your situation.

ANYTHING either bird carries in a latent form ( there but non symptomatic ) will come out under stress.

You could be one of the lucky ones....maybe your happiness will brim over and infect the birds so they dont feel stressed or sick ? .............NOT

 

Sorry, I havent really told you anything you wanted to hear. My experience and knowledge gives me far more apprehension for your birds situation and possible future health and that is what drives me to tell you what YOU SHOULD HEAR and not WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

 

 

 

 

PS as an example..............On Friday I bought 15 plus new budgies. They are in quarantine. Today, SUNDAY, I was asked why I hadnt brought them to the budgie show I was at to show them on the day.

Answer...............

They had been caught, transported, rehomed from aviary space to holding cages, new food, new conditions etc etc.........

ALL STRESS FACTORS.

Showing budgies is another stress.

I dont want these new budgies sick and they would be if I hadnt left them at home, in quarantine and trying to reduce stress levels and get them on an even keel..............happy and healthy and NOT causing illness to themselves or others .....................lessons I have learnt.

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I am very sorry to hear that you have not quarantined :sadsorry:

 

Personally, i would go to the store today and get a new cage. I don't know where you are located, but here in SA we have perfect rectangular cages for $30 at "cheap as chips". Put Skye in the new cage and leave your new budgie in the old cage. It will be okay having them in the same room as most of the illnesses are not airborne. It is not to late to quarantine still

 

Good luck with your budgies and i look forward to lots of photos and updates

I am not here to tell members THAT THEY MUST DO WHAT I SAY .... That isn't me at all .....

I'm sorry to be so blunt but thats exactly what you, and everyone else has been doing. And thats all I ever see, from not even just my own posts but others i've browsed through. You've all said "we've lost birds from not quarantining.." ... "this happened to us we know better..." .. you obviously you are all not high and mighty powers that knew and believed everything from the get go and did everything perfectly. You have the right to educate and advise but you have no right to pass such harsh judgment. **********"You know I don't want to be mean but if you didn't have the time for owning a budgie (just 1) then maybe you could have reconsidered not purchasing one or if you already have her re homing her. Having 2 birds you don't have time for is just as bad as having 1."Yeah of course you don't want to be mean, i'll just take the budgie I purchased and have spent time bonding with, talking to and watching and give her to someone else. The problem is not I don't have time with her, the problem is I do not have time to be the ONLY person to have time for her. I can feed her, clean her cage, give her water, play with her and talk to her, but I cannot be there for her 24/7. I don't have children that can sit and play with the bird until its time to go to bed, i'm not retired and neither is my partner. If the requirements of owning a budgie are that you need to spend every waking minute with them then lets just make them extinct because i can guarantee you that no one is going to do that. And you need to stop expecting people to.**********I am still blown away by the cage that you have that isnt right for one budgie but now houses two. When have I posted a picture of my cage? I've never taken a picture of my cage. I've taken a picture of my birds through the bars in my cage. Unless you've been sneaking around my house, and looking through my windows you've got no idea what my cage is like, how big it is, what it has in it, i'd be surprised if you actually could tell what colour it is. Yes. Its round. No, its not square. They're birds. The originated from the wild. Please show me the square tree's that birds live in. Please show me the many square cages out in the wild where they prefer to sit. No really, because I'd love to see this. I don't need a spirit level to tell me tree's are not square, nature's corners are not perfectly aligned right angles. I may not know as much about budgies as any of you, but I certainly know in the wild, birds are not kept in cages. Why don't we all let them just fly around and not keep them locked up? Its not natural, its got nothing to do with the shape of their cage, lets let them all out i'm sure they'd rather be in the wild than in a cage. If its down to what shape cage they live in and they still have a preference lets always go with the preference. Everyone let your birds out they'll be much happier!!!!! .. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it. They originated from the wild. They're not about to drop dead because the cage is round rather than square.**********Sorry, I havent really told you anything you wanted to hear. My experience and knowledge gives me far more apprehension for your birds situation and possible future health and that is what drives me to tell you what YOU SHOULD HEAR and not WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. I hear you, and I understand what your saying. I CHOSE not to act on what any of you have said. Do any of you believe in choice? Know what that word means? I don't think any of you do as you seem to be going around and expecting people to have no choice in what they do and don't do. And the consequences are that if my birds get sick, then they may die, or probably will die. I understand this. What still confuses me is that if my birds DON'T get sick and everything has gone alright even without quarantine, that I still need to face consequences? Your backlash? Come on, I think you all need to get off your perches, pardon the pun, and sit with the rest of the flock. **********You have come to the very best Budgie forum on the internet today. We have more real experts here than any other forum. Lastly, I dont think this is the very best budgie forum on the internet today. It may be up there but it CERTAINLY needs improvement. People on this forum need to realise that knowledge gives you the right to educate and inform people. It does not give you the right to dictate, attack or pass judgment on anyone else. If people kept that in mind, then yes, it probably would be the best budgie forum on the internet. But I see no sign of that happening, so yes, you all have alot of improving to do. You all obviously care about the well being of birds, not only your own but others. In reality, your doing alot more damage driving the un-educated away with your attacks and judgments. If they are not here, then they cannot learn from what you say. But if you don't treat them like this is an enjoyable and judgement free (but informative and educational) place to be then they wont stay. And even if they do, for some highly unknown reason, stay, they will not take you seriously.

I am very sorry to hear that you have not quarantined :sadsorry: Personally, i would go to the store today and get a new cage. I don't know where you are located, but here in SA we have perfect rectangular cages for $30 at "cheap as chips". Put Skye in the new cage and leave your new budgie in the old cage. It will be okay having them in the same room as most of the illnesses are not airborne. It is not to late to quarantine still Good luck with your budgies and i look forward to lots of photos and updates

Finally Someone that has a nice demeanor about them. I cannot afford another cage until Wednesday at the latest. If I could find one for $30 that would be within budget, but most I have seen are $50+ By Wednesday, would it be too late to quarantine? They would have spent 4 days together, if one has something is that enough time for the other to catch it?

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

im sure i saw on here somewhere a quarantine you could start following immediately . i think kaz started the topic , could you post the link kaz ? it would require you to buy some medications to treat both birds so you might have to put off buying another cage if the budget doesnt allow for both . im sure youve got the message that quarantine is a VERY SERIOUS ISSUE for members on this forum . if you are getting grief now its only because experienced people ( im not one of the experienced ones)on here know how much worse it feels to lose a companion bird and they wouldnt wish that on anyone . if you were nearby me i would give you a cage to use .

Edited October 19, 200816 yr by brez

The reason people have said that the current cage isn't suitable is because it is round which IS something that can be seen in photos :sadsorry: If you recall back near the start of this thread I actually offerred you a loan of a cage for quarantine

I know you offered which is very kind of you, but it would be quite difficult to collect it etc. So medications could reduce the risk of them getting sick? If thats the case let me know and I can get them! I don't want them to sick, i'll do everything in my power to stop it, but as some people just don't realise, some things are not in my power.

 

But I do care about them, so if theres anything i can do or give them while they ARE in the same cage together just to lower the risks i'll do it :sadsorry:

The reason people are getting frustrated is because you asked for advice an you asked for the right way to do things and you made a song and dance about how you were going to do it that way and then you went and got another bird any way without following anyone's advice, it makes people fell as though they have wasted their time.

 

With all due respect you have no idea whether it would be a difficult to get the cage off me, I asked where you were located as I travel around a fair bit and may have been able to drop it off for you. Never mind though

Edited October 20, 200816 yr by Neat
typo

Thank you for the enlightening information .... It is duly noted ..

 

From a breeder prospective to put a bird into a cage with other bird / s ignoring quarantining is very detrimental to your flock...

 

Yes birds are free in the wild ..... -there fore in order to create the most comfortable habitat were birds interact with humans as domestic pets these are the Guidelines that we adhere to and we find works .....

 

 

Quarantine is a Human ways of PROTECTING THE BIRD/ S - In nature a hole flock of bird can die from one disease. They have a chance of survival ..... In captivity the disease and illness which has the potential to wipe out a entire flock can be avoided ......

 

THE CAGE......Over the years of experience - From breeder to breeders from owner to owner the most comfortable cage are listed in the FAQ's ....This has been found out by trial and error ..

 

It has nothing to do with SQUARE TREES!

 

Happiness longevity in their life depends on what we do .,.....

 

Your Round TREE TYPE CAGE - IS dangerous to your birds as the top of the dome is where their feet get caught and stuck ... Leading to mutilation or even death ..... As well as being to small for 1 let alone 2 birds there is no where for them to fly ...

 

... New people that come onto this forum ,,,and expect to be told that they are doing the right thing when we see that they are blatantly going back 40 years ..

As in Bring up the " WILD BUDGIE" ...

 

Pet / Show Birds will NOT SURVIVE IN THE WILD NOW!!!!!!! - Maybe a weeks or 2 at the MAX ......

 

The "Wild " Genes have been breed out of them , Their survival mechanism aren't the same ....

 

 

If we sound blunt it is your naivety that has lead us to reply the way we have ...

 

Our members have offered you support advice and even FREE cages .... Yet you have ignored all of them ....

 

do the maths Now think to your self why are we saying this ... We are NOT here to degrade a new member ...we are not here to be asked for advice and then be KICKED in the teeth

 

you are new listen ... If you don't kike the answer please do not ask the question ... feel free to talk & Enjoy the forum for what it is ...As so many have. It is a community of collected advise of experience and opinions of the BUDGIE /S .....

 

.... And you by you reading this shows that we have a common interest THE LOVE & WELFARE OF OUR BIRDS ... OTHER WISE YOU WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO READ THIS POST .....

 

Therefore ... We would love to have you here ... Please take our advice as it is in no way MEANT TO BE disrespectful or by any means does it take away your life YOUR CHOICES OR FREE WILL ...

 

... We don't spend everyday , every hour etc you can't own a bird that way.. They will own you ....

the time I do is 30mins each day which covers all the 16 birds ...... Consisting of .... Food water, cleaning ..... Time changes with breeding season of course ...

 

after all quarantining birds for mini 4 weeks isn't going to kill or harm anybody .... It .. Can save heartache that WE HAVE ALL ENDURED ...... in our EARLY YEARS .....

 

The birds can still enjoy companion ship of the other birds after quarantine ....

 

WE don't expect you to spent $$$ on housing birds Hey I don't ...... But we will just let you know that in your particular cages it will not live the expected life span of 10 - 12 year it will decrease dramatically

..... is that fair to your Birds .....

 

But please prove me wrong .....

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