I discovered a hen this evening which I'm 99% sure has canker. I want some turbosole to put in the cupboard for situations like this when I'm fairly confident of the diagnosis and it's late on a Sunday night and not easy to have a bird looked at by a decent vet. Does anyone know whether you can buy it 'over the counter' or whether it requires a vet visit?

 

Also any other suggestions for a home remedy? I don't have the equipment for a crop wash (unless I can use 3mm tubing like what I feed my baby possums with, I know some of the wildlife carers use it for crop feeding)

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by Neat
Changed Possoms to possums

Ronivet is the usual meds for canker and most budgie clubs carry it to sell on their trade table.

fantastic, now where to buy some in a hurry :question:

 

 

Also is there anything I can do for her tonight to try and help? (other than the obvious warmth, etc)

 

She was in a breeding cage but I've blocked the nest up now but left her with her mate as I imagine he will need to be treated too(he seems fine though).

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by Neat

Ask any breeder you know who may carry the ronivet in their medicine cabinet. Start phoning around if you need it urgently. Most serious budgies owners have it on hand.

I don't really know any in this area :question: Will a vet sell it over the counter or do they generally insist on seeing the bird?

Vet won't sell over the counter they will want to see the bird/s ... Can you call your chair person of your club and ask for a member close to you .....

I'll give AV a call and see if she knows :question:

What about your wildlife carer friend - would she have something?

She very elderly and would be in bed by now, and she certainly wouldn't be able to get it to me so it would mean getting my two small ones out of bed. Sigh, gonna go have another look at her and see how urgent it looks. Anyone know what the progress of canker is like? (ie. how long as she realistically got without treatment until, well, you know)

I have Turbosole in my Medicine Cabinet. I ordered it from avian vet Rob Marshall of Carlingford Animal Hospital with guaranteed next day delivery. Try ringing first thing tomorrow (Monday) and maybe they can post it immediately so you can get it in the afternoon.

 

Tel No: 02 9871-6036/7113

 

100g $35.00

 

Or else log on to: www.birdhealth.com.au

 

Good Luck! :question:

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by maesie
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Fantastic Renee! Does it work well?

Fantastic Renee! Does it work well?

 

Touch wood, never had to use it. :question:

 

But is is the product recommended by top breeders over here.

:question: Fingers crossed for you Renee. I'll do a quick ring around of vets in my area first thing and see if I can con one of them into selling it to me over the counter and otherwise I'll give Rob a call :laughter: If I tell a white lie and say I normally get it from Rob but I need it 'now' then someone might be willing to, maybe my usual vet might.

Fingers crossed for you Renee. I'll do a quick ring around of vets in my area first thing and see if I can con one of them into selling it to me over the counter and otherwise I'll give Rob a call If I tell a white lie and say I normally get it from Rob but I need it 'now' then someone might be willing to, maybe my usual vet might.

 

Ummmm. I really wouldn't tell any 'white lies'. :question:

 

If I was a vet and you told me usually got it from Rob Marshall my response would be 'Why have you run out and why don't you get it from him?'

 

Aside from the obvious fact that there are few avian vets and most of them know each other ..... it's a bit like the show budgie fraternity: everyone knows someone who knows you.

 

Lies have short legs and you will end up looking like a ...... :laughter:

 

Tell the truth, it's easier and simpler. Besides which, seeing as you have advertised your intent, sooner or later you're bound to get dobbed in.

MB my vet is normally very good at selling stuff over the counter without seeing a bird if you explain the situation.

I don't have an avian vet close by so I'll probably try my regular dog/cat vet first, he's a great bloke so hopefully if I go in there and see him and obviously know what I'm talking about and explain that I need it quicker than 'next day delivery' if possible he will hopfully be happy to sell me a little :question: Also he knows that I do wildlife care, etc so he knows I have a reasonable amount of common sense when it coes to this sort of stuff.

 

Tomorrow I am going to get my butt into gear and start setting up a proper budgie first aid/emergency meds kit.

Thanks for all your advice guys, she died overnight :question: Even more devastating becasue she was my only proper show spangle hen at the moment (paired to my DF spangle Ozzie). Ozzie is devastated too, he was sitting next to her trying to preen her when I found her this morning. i'm still planning to get something to put in the cupboard for next time (hope not)

 

I have a couple of questions, should I still treat Ozzie? And how contagious is it, how long to I need to wait before repairing Ozzie?

Are you sure it was canker ? Could have been megabacteria and you really need to know which it was.

She has been fridged and I'll take a swab when I get home :question:

Oh poor Ozzie! You are really not having a good luck with the Budgies are you. Will keep an eye out for another show spangle for you and if there is anything I can do let me know.

So sorry for your loss MB :question:

Oh that sucks mb! What were her symptoms?

Definately canker, took a swab from her throat and stained it at work and looked at it under the scope, can clearly see the little round critters floating around. She also has some small ulcers visible near the top of her throat and was vomting whole seed late last night when the symptoms first appeared.

 

So what I need to know is, do I need to treat the cock and how long should I wait before trying to breed him again? He's getting on a bit and we really do want some chicks from him.

Oh No MB ...

 

I am soooo sorry mate....((((( HUGS)))))

 

YES TREAT THE COCK!!!!

 

They would have been feeding each other, eating from the same dish and drinking form the same water ...

 

Mate I would wait a bit .... I am no expert but if there is still the slightest left in him and you breed him again ... The stress may Flare it up again ... Double check with avian vet though ....

Edited October 6, 200816 yr by Neat
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Yeah I had definately planned to wait Neat, just wasn't sure what the guidelines were for recovery from a contact with canker.