My friend has a cock which looks exactly like a DF dominant pied, but produces both pieds and normals. He's a skyblue or cobalt yellowface greywing dominant pied. But is there something else too? Here's a picture of him:

Is it just me or are his eyes red?

Is it just me or are his eyes red?

 

They are a little bit red, yes. But only a little.

Who has he been paired too ?

Who has he been paired too ?

 

To a grey green opaline hen. Her mother was an ino and father blue.

Are the pieds he is producing recessives or dominants ?

Red eyes ....

 

Hmmm Dom pied fallow ???? Lace wing,

 

I am curious to know now

Are the pieds he is producing recessives or dominants ?

Dominants. You can see some pics here: http://tirpystenperheenundulaatit.blogspot...t-kasvavat.html

Red eyes .... Hmmm Dom pied fallow ???? Lace wing, I am curious to know now

The eyes are not that red. Usually they seem quite black only in some lighting you can see some red in them. Normal iris rings as you can see.

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by **Liv**

okay so they are black but under lighting they are red

okay so they are black but under lighting they are red

 

Something like that! I think fallows and lacewings are supposed to have clearly red eyes. I think his red eyes are due to the light and diluted, nearly all white colouring... tho who am I to say! The same way as cinnamons might have a little red tinge in their eyes.

Does his cere go blue or stay similar to what it looks in the picture?

Yf2 Dompied, greywing/clearwing (?) spangle(?) Theres not alot of colour on him is there?

 

Could another cockbird get with the hen when they breed to account for the normals? (incase of him being DF?)

 

 

Nice range of chicks.

Does his cere go blue or stay similar to what it looks in the picture?

Yf2 Dompied, greywing/clearwing (?) spangle(?) Theres not alot of colour on him is there?

 

Could another cockbird get with the hen when they breed to account for the normals? (incase of him being DF?)

 

 

Nice range of chicks.

 

The cere is always the same. We also had thought about the spangle. No spangle chicks this far though. They have been in a separate breeding cage and it took a while before the first eggs came - so no other cocks involved.

 

I agree So many different colours and so pretty!

Edited October 4, 200816 yr by falki

The red could be just from the camera just like when you take pictures of people and you see the red eye..

The picture looks like a hen! It looks like a combination of dominant pied and clearflight pied. Are all the pied chicks dominants or are some of them clearflights?

Edited October 4, 200816 yr by Neville

He's definatly a dominant, look at those iris rings. I'd say he's be a yf opaline greywing dom pied cock.

No spangle.

The red could be just from the camera just like when you take pictures of people and you see the red eye..

 

Those eyes are a little even without the flash when looked only with your eye, but it could be nothing important.

 

The picture looks like a hen! It looks like a combination of dominant pied and clearflight pied. Are all the pied chicks dominants or are some of them clearflights?

 

He was thought to be a hen by his previous owner. Was even put to a breeding cage with a cock :question: Nothing happened so it was switched to a hen and things got going! The photos of the chicks can be found here and here. I have no idea if there could be some clearflights too. They are so small yet, that the rump hasn't got any feathers except for the biggest chicks. But there are some normals there too in those chicks.

 

He's definatly a dominant, look at those iris rings. I'd say he's be a yf opaline greywing dom pied cock.

No spangle.

 

I agree, tho I think only a split opaline. I guess he's just a funny looking dominant pied then??

There is opaline, greywing and dominant pied in the chicks. He is definately single factor dominant pied, he could also be greywing and he must be split for opaline because he is not showing the mutation himself. His cere is very odd

I think he is showing the opaline... The slight barrings on his head aren't consistant with that of a normal greywing, they'd be more solid which leads me to beleive it's visual gene not split.

He my be a DF dom pied who retains the iris rings but not the Cere colour. I have a DF spangle and a DF dom pied cock who have non-blue ceres.

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by *libby*

I have just been following this post but I was thinking the same thing you were Libby I thought he was showing the opaline gene too but I was unsure about it.

 

I agree he is a dominant pied, clearwing, yellowface type 2 and possible opaline (it may be hard to see it because of all the mutations mixed together).

 

Question, is that the bird? or is that your bird? How old is the bird? I ask because the cere has not changed to blue?

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by Elly

I have just been following this post but I was thinking the same thing you were Libby I thought he was showing the opaline gene too but I was unsure about it.

 

I agree he is a dominant pied, clearwing, yellowface type 2 and possible opaline (it may be hard to see it because of all the mutations mixed together).

 

Question, is that the bird? or is that your bird? How old is the bird? I ask because the cere has not changed to blue?

 

That is my friends bird who is a small scale breeder (as we are all here in Finland). He's the father of those babies in the links I've put and about 3 years old. He must be a sf dominant pied, because some of the chicks are and the mother is a normal greygreen opaline. He might be also visual opaline, it's hard to tell really, when so little markings are showing. I don't know what would explain the cere colour. It has always been like that.

 

I was thinking a bout a possibility of him being both dominant and recessive pied? They do not always have the spot in the head and I guess if those two mutations were visual in one bird they eyes should either have an iris ring or then not... Well. Just a guess. I really have no idea why is that bird looking like he is.

So his cere stayed pink then?

If he and the hen are opaline then all the chicks would be and by memory I dont think they are- correct me if I'm wrong I cant be bothered opening the link again sorry.

So his cere stayed pink then?

 

It's not exactly pink like for example a recessive pied would have, it's more like very light pink with a tinge of lilac.

 

 

If he and the hen are opaline then all the chicks would be and by memory I dont think they are- correct me if I'm wrong I cant be bothered opening the link again sorry.

 

Good point, I didn't even think of that. And no, all the chicks are not opaline, the father is hence split.

pie good thinking...so it is just the opaline gene showing through...too early for me to think lol.

Edited October 5, 200816 yr by KAZ

Well from a lesson Pie taught me the other day on Opalines... you will know if he is Opaline or Split if you have any visual Opaline cocks in your clutch of chick, because the boys need one gene from dad and one from mum... You said the mum and some of the chicks are Opaline, so do you know if any of those Opaline chicks are cocks yet? If I understood Pie correctly, then if any are cocks then both parents (including this cock in question) would be Opaline or Split at least... (Pie please correct me if I'm wrong).

 

By the way this is a gorgeous bird... what ever it is (which I'm eager to know) it is stunning !