Posted October 2, 200816 yr A friend of mine has asked me to seek identification for this lovely bird. I've started that she's a Dominant Pied but there are blue feathers though her belly. http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5695/img1353qh6.jpg . .
October 2, 200816 yr Note how the yellow on her face is brighter than the rest of her yellow. She is a YF2 dom pied spangle, she is actually a blue bird in green clothing
October 2, 200816 yr I'm not convinced yet... It's a young bird only just going through it's moult by the look of it, the Dom pied and spangle are definate but I'm not sure on yf... It's face and body has a strong yellow and it's body should have more blue and not so green for a first moulter... They usually come out blue with yellow... I'm yet to see a yf who comes out dark green. I think it's a green who carries Yf but isn't yf itself.
October 2, 200816 yr I have a very similiar one at home which is only now about 8 months old, I got him as a baby and his colouring was just like that except slightly paler (as he is skyblue as opposed to cobalt)
October 2, 200816 yr Author erm, so are we at a stalemate as to whether she's YF2 or not? I don't understand about the body colour - green or blue? She's got both colours on her body. I didn't know a bird can be green and blue at the same time, I thought they had to be one or the other? Wouldn't mind her in my aviaries that's for sure! The lass who own's this bird disliked budgies until about 2 weeks ago when 2 "landed in her lap" during a cockatiel purchase and this one was "following her" around the pet store. So not fair!
October 2, 200816 yr erm, so are we at a stalemate as to whether she's YF2 or not?I don't understand about the body colour - green or blue? She's got both colours on her body. I didn't know a bird can be green and blue at the same time, I thought they had to be one or the other? Wouldn't mind her in my aviaries that's for sure! The lass who own's this bird disliked budgies until about 2 weeks ago when 2 "landed in her lap" during a cockatiel purchase and this one was "following her" around the pet store. So not fair! I'm not sure if this is the right way to explain it, but if she were YF2 her body color would be "washed out". If she were a blue bird the YF2 would make her appear a seafoam green or aqua color, but her color is bright and powerful (besides the signs of molting). This is what a Sky blue YF2 usually looks like.... see how it appears "seafoam green" and he is very light in color, but if you look under his wings you can see sky blue feathers... his base color is sky blue but the YF2 give him a green look....... She's not "actually" blue and green at the same time. I try to think of it like kindergarden school... when you learn that blue (the birds base color) and yellow (the YF2 mtation) make green (the visible color of the bid).... do you know what I mean? Justl ike Inos they are actually blue and green birds but they "apear" as white and yellow (due to their base colors). So I also agree that she isn't a YF2, but maybe Golden face like Neat said. My guess is Goldenface green Dominant Pied Spangle (possibly split to blue, going through molt) EXPERTS... please correct me if I've explained this totally wrong??? Edited October 2, 200816 yr by chrissy0705
October 2, 200816 yr The bird is a blue based bird so Chrissy it can't be split if it is blue. Only a Green bird can be Split to Blue. Blue is a recessive gene so it can never be split. It is not a Green series blue because you can see the patches of blue in her if she was a Green Series bird she would be equally green all over and you wouldn't be able to visually tell if it was carrying the YF gene. As of right now they don't identify greens as Yellow Face because they always have a yellow face . I agree it is a Yellow Face Type 2 (it could be a double factor making the yellow deeper) or a Golden Face Type 2 also. The green is darker because the bird could be a cobalt in blue or a mauve which means it has 1 or 2 dark factors. The seafoam green that you are speaking of usually I believe occurs more in your sky blue (no dark factors) yellow face 2 blues. I hope that makes sense.
October 2, 200816 yr The bird is a blue based bird so Chrissy it can't be split if it is blue. Only a Green bird can be Split to Blue. Blue is a recessive gene so it can never be split. It is not a Green series blue because you can see the patches of blue in her if she was a Green Series bird she would be equally green all over and you wouldn't be able to visually tell if it was carrying the YF gene. As of right now they don't identify greens as Yellow Face because they always have a yellow face . I agree it is a Yellow Face Type 2 (it could be a double factor making the yellow deeper) or a Golden Face Type 2 also. The green is darker because the bird could be a cobalt in blue or a mauve which means it has 1 or 2 dark factors. The seafoam green that you are speaking of usually I believe occurs more in your sky blue (no dark factors) yellow face 2 blues. I hope that makes sense. I don't see how this can be a blue based bird? Are there blue feathers under the wings? Which mutation is giving it the deep green coloring? I haven't seen a blue based bird carry this dark of a green color before, even with cobalt or mauve? I guess I'm lost now... I don't understand. And yes, I agree the "seafoam" is usually with sky blue (as so is the one in the picture)
October 2, 200816 yr Look by the belly you can see the uneveness of the coloring not the yellow patches but the green coloration you can see how it varies because of the way the yellow is running through the body feathers. The dark factors are giving it the different coloration of green that is why it is darker then some that you see. Plus if we are dealing with GoldenFace you are dealing with a deeper and darker blue which also make the coloring darker. This bird reminds me of Bea's Ozzie.
October 2, 200816 yr Look by the belly you can see the uneveness of the coloring not the yellow patches but the green coloration you can see how it varies because of the way the yellow is running through the body feathers. The dark factors are giving it the different coloration of green that is why it is darker then some that you see. Plus if we are dealing with GoldenFace you are dealing with a deeper and darker blue which also make the coloring darker. This bird reminds me of Bea's Ozzie. I see what you are saying... I see yellow, green and "grey" feathers. So your guess is that this is a Goldenface grey/mauve dom pied spangle? And the reason it appears green is the dark factor of the grey/mauve? So my theroy of yellow (goldenface) and blue (grey/mauve - blue base color) make green would be correct in this case just that the dark factors are making a darker green and some of the body color bleed through? Edited October 2, 200816 yr by chrissy0705
October 2, 200816 yr I would say GoldenFace or YellowFace Type 2 Double Factor Mauve or Cobalt Dominant Pied Spangle. No grey coloring if it looks grey it could be from mauve.
October 2, 200816 yr You can check under the wings to be sure it is blue based. If there is blue or white showing there then it is blue based
October 3, 200816 yr You can check under the wings to be sure it is blue based. If there is blue or white showing there then it is blue based I asked that question earlier but we haven't heard back from karenfernvale on that yet... that would solve alot of "color" questions. Karen, do you have a picture of the underside of the wings?
October 3, 200816 yr Author I will ask the lass if she can either get a picture or check. Might not be until tonight or tomorrow (Oz time) as she is in the UK.
October 3, 200816 yr I will ask the lass if she can either get a picture or check. Might not be until tonight or tomorrow (Oz time) as she is in the UK. okay thanks, I personally look forward to finding this out. Can't wait.
October 4, 200816 yr Author Well she will try for a photo, aparently she is out and doing laps so can't be caught yet. This is what she has said: "I can tell you it's very very pale yellow under her wings though. Barely any colour under there at all. She seems to have less blue on her now too. I guess maybe she is moulting those out??"
October 6, 200816 yr okay, hopefully she can get a picture for us. But you say it's pale yellow, not white or blue???? Interesting! Can't wait to see the picture.
October 7, 200816 yr Wow, what a fascinating bird! She's so mottly she looks like a checkerboard! okay that's all I can contribute haha
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