He will be split- retaining one gene from dad, this leaves the hens showing opaline (they only need 1 gene) and the boys split for opaline as they need 1 from each parent to show it.

 

(..hope thats right - just confused myself thinking!!) lol no doubt someone will correct me.

Edited October 3, 200816 yr by the pie

He will be split- retaining one gene from dad, this leaves the hens showing opaline (they only need 1 gene) and the boys split for opaline as they need 1 from each parent to show it.

 

(..hope thats right - just confused myself thinking!!) lol no doubt someone will correct me.

 

okay so it's obvious it a dom pied...

 

So if it is a boy he only needs one gene from dad to be split for opaline? so he would be dom pied split for opaline?

 

But if it is girl she would just be dom pied cause she would need 1 gene from each parent to be split for opaline? (or she would just be an opaline and not pied at all?)

 

Did I get that right? I'm a little confused, but have a good grasp on it so far.

boys need 1 from each to BE opaline, hens need just 1 from dad. So with your birds the boys will be split and the girls will be opaline

So as the dad is opaline His parents were opaline (or the hen was and the dad was split)

boys need 1 from each to BE opaline, hens need just 1 from dad. So with your birds the boys will be split and the girls will be opaline

So as the dad is opaline His parents were opaline (or the hen was and the dad was split)

 

okay, I think I understand that now... wow! So, so far there is no signs of opaline in this chick and we know it is dom pied. Now, dom pied chicks in this case can be either male or female, so am I correct in saying if it is a boy it will be dom pied split for opaline and if it's a girl it will just be dom pied? (I'm probably killing this topic to death, but I really want to understand this.)

You just about got it- except the girls Will be opaline as they only need half the amount of opaline gene as the boys. So the girls are more likely to be opaline than a boy. Same as lutino -girls only need half, boys need 2

You just about got it- except the girls Will be opaline as they only need half the amount of opaline gene as the boys. So the girls are more likely to be opaline than a boy. Same as lutino -girls only need half, boys need 2

 

 

Wait Pie, you are doing such a good job explaining this, but I just got lost again. So in this clutch there can be no dom pied girls? I might have to PM you if that's not what you're saying cause you just lost me again. I understand now how a male or female gets to be an opaline (based on the number of genes needed from their parents) but in this case I know I don't have an opaline, I have a dom pied. But previously I was told that the dom pieds in this clutch could be boy or girl.... so is that not true, can only girls be opaline and only boys be dom pied split for opaline (besides the usual "suprises" that every clutch gives us)?

Wait Pie, you are doing such a good job explaining this, but I just got lost again. So in this clutch there can be no dom pied girls?

 

Lol- correct in YOUR clutch there will be no 'normal' dom pied girls but you will get 'opaline' dom pied girls.

Dom pied and opaline work differently- boys and girls have an equal chance of getting pied or not getting pied

but depending on whether mum or dad is opaline increases or decreases the chance of them being opaline. In this case the girls dont have a choice!!

 

So your babies you could have got

Boys

Dominant pieds split opaline

Normal (not pied) split opaline

 

Girls

Opaline (normal)

Opaline Dom Pied

 

This is good its making my brain work as well.

You seem very interested in the genetics of birds I'll give you a link to a site which is like my "learning bible" on outcomes from pairings

 

http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/prbsinc/index.htm

Click on pairings then look up the ones you wish to learn

In time you'll get used to it and be able to work out multiple genes combined in pairings and outcomes :what:

Hope it helps.

Thank you both. :doh: Pie, that was a great explaination. Libby, I do want to learn and trying my best. I think I understand now and it looks that I still have alot ot learn!! Thanks for the link I'm gonna check it out now.

We also have a fanastic guide in our FAQ section under the Mutations, it was created by one of our members ravengypsy that I find very helpful.

You're welcome

The first hard part is recognising the mutations, then learning the trends in the outcomes comes into play once you can recognise them

It's all a fun learning experience and you'll be forever learning new things The wonders of the budgie world I guess eh :doh:

So here's some new pics from today... everyone still think not opaline... dom pied?... :question:

 

But his markings are lovely... check him out.

 

 

 

Not opaline.

Not opaline.

 

 

Wishful thinking I guess... either way I think he's gonna be a bute! :question: Thanks KAZ.

Has really nice even wing markings :question:

Agree, not opaline, but gorgeous either way :question: