Some where on internet somebody found this:

There are two forms of the Ino gene - the most common one which is inherantly sex-linked and thus known as the SL (sex-linked) Ino. The rarer form is the NSL Ino (non-sex-linked), which is simply recessive. The two forms are visually identical, although can be identified via breeding.

We have know a good discussion because there is a person who breed a yellowface cobalt female with a yelow face albino male.female parents breeder talks that are an orangewings (????)male and green spangle because breeder talks that mother is yelow and green W're trying that he explain the mean of orangewings

 

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pair

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male (breeded from an albino female an grey male)

 

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all the chicks (can it be?)

 

 

First I think we have to rename mother variety. You first.

Edited September 18, 200816 yr by Elly

The bird that is in the middle has beak issues ..

 

So the Yellow face Albino we call a creamino The hen would have to be Green / Blue

that is why she has thrown all Yellow and green babies as the dad is a Yellow ( green based bird )

 

okay correct me know Experts

Dont know about anyone else, but this budgie looks a little like a half sider to me

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Edited September 19, 200816 yr by **Liv**
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Halfsiders dont work like that Liv....you are visually dividing the bird the wrong way.

First of all I'd must ask; Were these birds cabinet bred or colony bred?

 

I have heard of a non sex-linked albino but it wouldn't explain what you are talking about

 

The opaline in your first picture is very interesting. I have never seen a type 2 yellow face where the colour has spread like that.

all the chicks (can it be?)

 

The parent's of the six in this picture could not have been a white and a grey. They could have been a white and a grey green but the white must have been a double factor spangle or if she was albino she must have been masking spangle and one of them must have been a dominant pied.

Look at the chick on the far right - it has the most peculiar colour in the chest and buttocks, a lot like the mom has. Like a blue line going through the body vertically. The mother just has it the other way around.

 

But I believe that the albino cannot be the father of these chicks. Even if they were all yellowface type II's. Some of them have a very strong green and yellow colour in them and they must be the green series birds... Yellowface shouldn't look so strong in just babies but the colour increases through every molt.

 

But the chicks are a beautiful bunch of pieds! (the dad should be a dominant pied in this case or even a DF because it seems to me all the chicks are pied... ) The female chick in the middle indeed has a distorted beak... Is there something one can do with a beak like that? Isn't it going to make it really hard for the bird to eat? The male chick next to her on the left looks like a recessive pied...

Is there something one can do with a beak like that? Isn't it going to make it really hard for the bird to eat? The male chick next to her on the left looks like a recessive pied...

The male to the left is DEFINITELY dom pied.

Tell me if I am wrong, and it wil nto be the first time, but there are some spangle wing marking in there, when neither parents are spangles. My theory... that hen has got around.

 

Did we find out if this is a colony breeding situation or not?

Is there something one can do with a beak like that? Isn't it going to make it really hard for the bird to eat? The male chick next to her on the left looks like a recessive pied...

The male to the left is DEFINITELY dom pied.

 

okay, just a thought! And yes, he seems to have a very dominant pied looking spot on the back of his head. I only thought, because he wears so little markings and has that yellow beak.

 

Funny that some of the chicks still have so black eyes and then again some already very clear iris rings.

Tell me if I am wrong, and it wil nto be the first time, but there are some spangle wing marking in there, when neither parents are spangles. My theory... that hen has got around.

Most if not all the chicks are spangle and at least 3 have dominant pied as well.

 

I think that the white parent must be a double factor spangle

cant see most of the pics to see mum and dad, but if they are all d.pied then either the odds are really in your favour or you have a double factor pied in the mix. I would have said dad was a green DF pied spangle. I'd like to know the mutations of the other birds that are in the aviary

I didn't write some thing yesterday because was very late.

 

Parents are only in a cage (that talks breeder) so its impossible mother'd got a round.

 

Your right the very right budgie is also halfsider.

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If somebody understand spanish:

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Por separado, la hembra (hija de una perlada se supone que de línea verde, pues la describe como verde y amarilla y un ¿¿¿alas naranjas??

Hen (daughter of an spangled (supposed green because is described like green and yellow) and orange wings)

El macho (hijo de una hembra albina y un macho gris):

Male (son of female albina an grey male =====>>>> so he can't be Spangle DF may be SF but if he would be spangle DF all chicks were spangle but only a few were spangle

La hembra adulta que se va entre los jóvenes es una de las primeras hijo de la pareja formada por el marfil y la opalina rostral cobalto, tiene ya un par de años al parecer... Y el macho adulto del extremo igual.

Adult female between young's is one of the very first daughter from this pair, and also the adult male left

El pelado y el pío se puede sacar de la albina madre del marfil, heredando él tanto el perlado como el pío, y estando escondido visualmente...

Spangle and pied can be heritage from cremino mother (grandmother from father)

 

 

Now it's all information I have in the other post (in Spanish) if you want to read all :

http://pericosaustralianos.mforos.com/1487...-nsl/#ultimomsg

 

They said that they have a theory about halfsider: there are two embryos downing in mother one blue and the other green so one absorbs the other one and that's why in a budgie we have to line and in this case ovary from this female was from the embryo absorbed that's why you see a blue bird but has green birds only the ovay is from green bird (something dificult to read in Spanish more than translate to English.

 

 

I hope it's helpfull

Edited September 21, 200816 yr by Elly

Sorry your image isn't working. can you try re-posting it??

Half siders are usually divided left to right profiles.

 

QUOTE Half-Sider

 

The half-sider is actually not a true variety. The trait is not genetically inherited. Rather, it is a congenital condition. Visually, this budgie is split vertically, with the appearance and color of two distinct varieties appearing in splotches or sections divided by the vertical center line. I believe that this is a condition called tetragametic chimerism in which fraternal twin zygotes fuse at a very early stage in the womb, forming one individual with the tissues and DNA of both twins.

 

Its possible I suppose.

Edited September 19, 200816 yr by KAZ

What I think is, that the hen is a half-sider (which I think is quite amazing and REALLY rare) and she's of the green series. Orange wings I have never heard of, and there is no colour such as orange in the whole colour series of budgies. Maybe they meant the half-sider?? The father is an albino, which can hide almost any mutation underneath and in this case the father is a SF spangle and most likely a DF dominant pied. That would mean that his grey father is a pied and a split ino and his mother is a pied underneath the ino gene. But he could be only a SF pied and just happened to have all these pied chicks.

 

I find this a way to explain all those green, pied and spangled chicks. What I don't understand is, that one of the chicks seems to be a half-sider too, though it isn't a hereditary gene...

 

So you explained the iris rings too, some of them are from a different clutch, right?

 

But this has nothing to do with the subtitle does it? Here the ino gene has acted quite normally, the grey cock (grand father of these chicks) is a split ino. The father is an ino, but none of the baby chicks has inherited it, it happens. But it's funny (and scary) how many different mutations can an ino keep in it...

 

I guess I just almost repeated all that luisa said, but it made it more clear for myself!! It's a really rare couple and outcome I must say!!

Edited September 19, 200816 yr by falki

which chick looks half sider?

If you mean the one with a touch of blue through its chest- thats normal, it'll moult out. Most of my light greens do that

Sorry Falki, about subtitle, I wrote it because in this form was in Spanish.I'm agree with everithing you talk. I only have a doupt, half-sider (althought she looks blue line) makes all chicks be green line? because that is the mayor question why if she is blue line all chicks are green line?

 

Do you Still want I repost photos?

Edited September 20, 200816 yr by luisagol

I fixed the image so you dont need to repost it :hap:

 

Dad is a Yellow faced Albino who would be masking spangle.

Some chicks are green and some look to be yellow face type 2.

I would say your hen has a form of genetic missmatch or error which is where the green came from. True green (yellow based) feather on a blue (white based) bird is very unsusual and is only seen in halfsiders.

 

The yellow faced chicks are like dad.

Spangle markings also would come from dad.

 

Hope that helps

Edited September 20, 200816 yr by **Liv**

I don't know in what I was thinking about when I wrote that post...

 

Again

 

Falki I almost agrre in everythig, I agree with spangle and pied heritage but what about green heritadge? and also I believed that in a sex-linked heritage (like INO) if father is INO so ALL daughters must be INO. That's why they say he is a NSL INO

LIV

I would say your hen has a form of genetic missmatch or error which is where the green came from. True green (yellow based) feather on a blue (white based) bird is very unsusual and is only seen in halfsiders.

This is not my hen I don't know the owner but it doesn't matter

Some chicks are green and some look to be yellow face type 2.

I don't see any YF T2 sorry (or my be only the one that somebody said was also halfsider.

Edited September 20, 200816 yr by luisagol

What do we know about half-siders? The bird has two basic colours. Does it mean, that if it has more green, it is of the green series and if more blue it is of the blue series? I think not. I don't know anything about half-siders breeding; meaning how will the chicks look. But I think the mom can very likely be a green series half-sider, what do we know. And that would explain ell the chicks being green, or yellow face blues...

 

And what comes to ino dads having all ino female chicks. Those are only the odds and it doesn't mean all the females should be inos. Nature does what it wants to... :hap: In this case - no ino chicks!

 

Well, at least this is how I think it has to work... :hap:

I'm afraid that I'm very sceptical about this whole thread. It is not hard to produce a yellow face albino that is masking both spangle and dominant pied (even double factors of both) but an albino's female daughters would also be albino, which the females in this line up of chicks are clearly not. Even if I was prepared to accept the explanations of the hen's mutation it still doesn't seem credible

I'm afraid that I'm very sceptical about this whole thread. It is not hard to produce a yellow face albino that is masking both spangle and dominant pied (even double factors of both) but an albino's female daughters would also be albino, which the females in this line up of chicks are clearly not. Even if I was prepared to accept the explanations of the hen's mutation it still doesn't seem credible

 

I suppose the most likely explanation would be that the hen's indeed gotten around. NSL ino is very rare and it would mean both the father birds parents just happened to have this recessive and rare gene. Highly unlikely...

I suppose the most likely explanation would be that the hen's indeed gotten around. NSL ino is very rare and it would mean both the father birds parents just happened to have this recessive and rare gene. Highly unlikely...

In the unlikely event that it was non sex linnked ino then, because it is recessive, it wouldn't mask dominant mutations

I suppose the most likely explanation would be that the hen's indeed gotten around. NSL ino is very rare and it would mean both the father birds parents just happened to have this recessive and rare gene. Highly unlikely...

In the unlikely event that it was non sex linnked ino then, because it is recessive, it wouldn't mask dominant mutations

 

Very good point! I hadn't even thought of that. So you're saying actually, that the cock cannot be an NSL ino AND have all these dominant pied and spangle babies if the mother is a normal. And if he would be a normal ino and the father of these babies, there should be some ino chicks. So this all means that he isn't the father of these babies, cannot possibly be, right?