okay, so I am hoping someone will tell me the difference - and if you have photos to illustrate the points you are making, all the better!

 

Here's the proviso,

 

a. many times on the show bench I've seen Clearwings that are not clear at all but have markings yet at the same time have been told by 'the oldtimers' that unmarked clearwings are a thing of the past, that nowadays most clearwings have markings ....

b. I have put a greywing into show and some times it has been judged as such and yet the next show another show manager will move the same bird into the dilute category....

 

SO, if the difference in wing markings is oh so very slight are there other markers such as cheeck patches or the like to distinguish Clearwings, Greywings and Dilutes?

okay, managed to get some photos - apologies for the image quality

 

1. Clearwing - always judged as Clearwing

 

Front view

Back view

 

2. Grey Greywing - sometimes put into Dilute category

 

3. Violet Dilute - sometimes put into Greywing category

Here's one of my greywing sky blues. 50% dilution of body colour and grey wings

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll78/nev90/106.jpg

 

This one is a clearwing mauve. Full body colour and very light wing. A lot of clearwings have more markings that this one

 

Sorry I don't have any dilutes at the moment (They're not one of my favorite mutations). They should have very light wing markings and the body colour should be diluted by at least 80%

Edited September 15, 200816 yr by KAZ
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Neville, your clearwing looks a lot more like a clearwing than mine! But I don't know why ....

Gorgeous clearwing Neville!!

 

I dont know enough to know the difference with dilutes etc, but I have 3 pairs of clearwings, a green pair, a blue pair and a "rainbow" pair.

The Dilute is a Recessive factor , in Which White is the factor and as the name says this white factor dilutes the colour on the entire bird, it can be mistaken to be greywing at times thus the problem with the variety on the bench . The clearwing is what it says a bird with no markings what so ever (yellow wings on a green bird and white wings on a blue bird) any markings is a Fault. And greywing is just that a bird with grey in the wings instead of the appropriate ground colour ( ie yellow and black on a green bird and white and black on a blue bird).

Nice greenboy Renee- I wouldve leaned more towards greywing for number 3 as well.

The Dilute is a Recessive factor , in Which White is the factor and as the name says this white factor dilutes the colour on the entire bird, it can be mistaken to be greywing at times thus the problem with the variety on the bench . The clearwing is what it says a bird with no markings what so ever (yellow wings on a green bird and white wings on a blue bird) any markings is a Fault. And greywing is just that a bird with grey in the wings instead of the appropriate ground colour ( ie yellow and black on a green bird and white and black on a blue bird).

 

Thank you very much Lochlan, that helps very much with dilute/greywing distinction.

 

Thank you Kaz for bumping the other topic.

 

Quote from Daz from other post

 

Grey Wing.

 

The spots should be grey.

Body colur approaching full intensity.

Marking should be mild grey

Eyes black with irus ring

Cheek patches Violet

Tail grey

Tail Quill V/blue

 

This description is very helpful. does anyone have one like this for the Clearwing?

 

My next question is, IS the first bird a Clearwing????? or Greywing? I think his spots are not filled in grey but circular like a spangles' except instead of being black they're grey. (sorry that sounds confusing)

Grey Wing.

 

The spots should be grey.

Body colur approaching full intensity.

Marking should be mild grey

Eyes black with irus ring

Cheek patches Violet

Tail grey

Tail Quill V/blue

This description fit a full body greywing rather than the usual greywing. Greywings are normally described as having 50% intensity of body colour.

Here's a photo of a full body greywing, the result of mating a greywing to a clearwing. I chased this little hen off the nest to get a photo

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll78/nev90/11.jpg

Edited September 15, 200816 yr by Elly
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Post on BBC from Anne about Dilutes/Greywing with Pics http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=13411&hl=

This is making it alot easier to understand with the pictures - Great post there Elly Clears up alot of confusion