This budgie was born in my hose, but I don't know variety a lot of varieties had passed in my mind but any fit in she at all.

 

 

 

 

 

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Carcteristics cherry eyes (dark red), feathers with, yellow and brown. For me it's clear yelowface TII SF and cinnamon but I don't know if she is dilute or anythig else.

parents

 

 

I have also photos from middle brother from mother and a completely brother

 

PD sorry my bad English.

Edited September 12, 200816 yr by Dave_McMinn
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I think your bird is so cute, though I am not sure where to start when categorising it.

 

Things we know:

- Blue based bird, due to the white feathers

- Yellow faced type 2 - as the bird gets older and goes through its first moult, I think that the yellow will spread more and be less pronounced, so ti will look more like a marked creamino

- Cinnamon wing patterns - we know that cinnamon dilutes, so that explains some of the diluting, but not all of it.

- Dad is a spanlge, as is this little one. Note Dad's wing patterns, then look at this little one.

 

The eye colour throws me. Is it possible that the bird could be a yellow faced lace wing spangle?

a yellow faced lacewing was my thought too Dave

I think you may need to look again Dave, Dad is NOT spangle, but instead a cinnamon/greywing yf2

 

Depending on whether we can get a picture of this bird with a flash i'd say you guys are pretty on it with lacewing...But dad is not spangle, so this bub(if it is spangled) isn't from those parents.

Just looked at the pictures of bub again, it is not a spangle.

 

I still think it's a lacewing though, but yet to see from the eye colour in a flash if possible, if not we have to start all over again with the classification haha!

Without the red eyes I would have said it was a dilute but with red eyes it must be a yellow face lacewing, which means that the father must be split to lacewing or split to both cinnamon and ino. The crossover rate from a split cinnamon and ino is very low so you're lucky to get a lacewing if that's the dad breeding

But isn't a lacewing supposed to have red eyes like an ino would have? This chicks eyes might look a bit red because of the cinnamon gene, but they would get all black later on. I think they are too black for a lacewing.. If she was to be a lacewing, she ought to have red eyes already... But if there's a better photo available, I would like to see it too You can see the cinnamon markings quite well in the upper picture in the wings, from the other pics I would have said it's a greywing...

You are right Libby, not a spangle, not sure what I was thinking

i'm not seeing any red eyes???? I say yellowface greywing/dilute as the father doesn't look cinnamon to me. but he could be split to produced cinnamon hens.

 

any other siblings to this bird?

i'm not seeing any red eyes???? I say yellowface greywing/dilute as the father doesn't look cinnamon to me. but he could be split to produced cinnamon hens.

 

any other siblings to this bird?

 

I dont see red eyes either, but i see cinnamon in this photo

 

 

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No red eyes so not lacewing.

Cinnamon YES. Yellowface YES.

Is there such thing as a YF cinnamon TCB???

Edited September 12, 200816 yr by **Liv**

Is there such thing as a YF cinnamon TCB???

Why would you think TCB ? There are no wing markings.

Dilute and cinnamon together might explain the light bodycolour.

If it is a cinnamon then a Yellow Face Type 2 Diluted Cinnamon Skyblue that is what I see if it is not then a Greywing (not Dilute). I am agreeing here with Kaz and Nerwen.

Is there such thing as a YF cinnamon TCB???

Why would you think TCB ? There are no wing markings.

 

I see some light wing markings and no body colour, so i was just wondering if its possible its a TBC of some sort - don't mind me though, I'm having a blonde moment :hap:

The chick looks like a yellowface lacewing clearbody hen. The father is a yellowface clearbody. Clearbody cocks are often split to ino, and sometimes cinnamon. There can also be opaline in them. Yes you can have yellowface clearbodies, and cinnamon clearbodies, and opaline clearbodies, cinnamon opaline clearbodies, and apparently yellowface lacewing clearbodies too. A little weird considering what we thought we knew about the dominance of clearbody over ino varieties, and the linkage of ino and cinnamon to produce lacewings, but who knows what really happens at DNA level.

Edited September 12, 200816 yr by DrNat

I think that the dad is a yellow face greywing sky blue and if the chick hasn't got red eyes then it is a yellow face dilute

I'm so confused...

 

I came here looked for clearence and I thinks I'm worse than yesterday

 

I have budgie, my photo quality I know isn't the better but sorry I only have one camera (I have an other an other day I shot photos from the other while....)So I have budgie and may be I can se somethings you cannot.

 

I'm going to try to say you what I'm looking on it while you are writing..

 

Dave :

- Dad is a spanlge, as is this little one. Note Dad's wing patterns, then look at this little one.

It's imposible to be skyblue (if growing parents are the same than genetic parents I explained it before) she has to be cobalt (one darkness factor)

 

Father is not Spangle sure

Dave:

The eye colour throws me.

Nerwen:

i'm not seeing any red eyes????

Have cherry eyes (dark red I think like cinnamon not like ino this ones looks clear are red)

 

libby :

.But dad is not spangle, so this bub(if it is spangled) isn't from those parents.

 

You said something very intersing that I forgot and I was looking better mi bird. At the same time a spangle hen began to lay but she had bad historial (2 lay eggs broken) so I taken off some eggs. In that momen I had two other hens laying but sorry I don't remenber if I putted an egg with Grey also I think I didn't because the sapngle hen is an English budgie and this little one is very small to be English) The sapngle female is light green opaline and cock is clearwings yelowface type I SF cobalt (so this budgie can be sky as you told)

Sorry you are feeling confused. A lot of us are good at genetics and telling the different budgie types and we are confused too. Your baby is a very unusual colour/type.

Neville:

father must be split to lacewing or split to both cinnamon and ino.

It's very possible

 

Falki:

I think they are too black for a lacewing.

Me too

FALKI:

But if there's a better photo available,

sorry by now not posibly but I'm thinkig seriously to buy an other one.

 

Nerwen:

father doesn't look cinnamon to me

He isn't May be we have to star defining father color... for me he is greywings yelowface TII SF, But yesterday I was looking at photos from here and now I think he is dilute.

 

Liv:

Is there such thing as a YF cinnamon TCB???

 

Sorry I don't know the mean of TBC can you expalin please?

 

KAZ:

Why would you think TCB ? There are no wing markings.

May be I don't know mean of TBC but bird has wing markings )very very light)okay... not all wings but upper part she has

 

Falki:

Dilute and cinnamon together might explain the light bodycolour.

I'm agree but any blue feather nothing, nothing?

 

Elly:

If it is a cinnamon then a Yellow Face Type 2 Diluted Cinnamon Skyblue

 

I finished I hope Now every thing is clear, may be you need clear photos, I'm going to try that my sister lend me her (if she has one because I don't know )

Liv:

Is there such thing as a YF cinnamon TCB???

 

Sorry I don't know the mean of TBC can you expalin please?

 

 

A TCB = Texas Clear Body - sorry i typed it wrong before, i didn't mean "TBC"

Don't worry liv I know it's a difficult bird and photos don't help but with patience and time (may be we will going to have to wait until she have babys) we will know all she hides.look soembody said something I`d forgotten spangle (and you now It can be but my sapngle bugdie is an English one althought father is comun) But Spangle variety has white patches an she heasn't.also talk that in Mexico there are not a lot of varieties since a few years ago (abou 10) there wu¡here only gren and blue (no inos, no clearbodys, no ....)So is think this is not a very rare variety example I've never seen lacewings (of course less fallows) I`d bought all spangles I had seen in my city (3) and they are imported so no parents in city.

 

About that 'dirty ' apearence what do you think about violet factor? somewhere I read that in white birds they look like dirty and they are called pink budgies althought they are not rearly pink.

Edited September 13, 200816 yr by luisagol

yeah this one is a tricky bird and it shows a few traits of many types so a debate on what fits the most is going on We noramlly come to a result.

 

As to the cinnmon comments - yes i can see it on the chick but not on the father

As to the cinnmon comments - yes i can see it on the chick but not on the father

 

If the father is a split cinnamon and the chick is hen, she can well be a cinnamon. Yellowface skyblue cinnamon dilute....

Father is not cinnamon.

Yellowface skyblue cinnamon dilute....

 

Dilute have erange beak? I didn't know that

So biological parents are others:

 

I have new photos, I thing we won't going to use them but I shoted today may be they wil tell something

look at spots thay are not tipicaly oirder like comun budgie (in line) she has one up one down, and so