I have been reading in detail the "Gypsy Willows" web page... which is excellent I might add, but I have a questions. Can a keet be both single factor dominate pied and Clearflight pied or are they only one or the other??? Since both would have clear flight feathers and a clear patch on the back of the head, what is the one factor that would tell me the difference of the two... ? Is it the band of color across the belly? I'm a little confused. Please help.

Yes a budgie can be both single factor dominant pied and clearflight pied at the same time. These two mutations are very similar so if your bird had both it would be quite difficult to tell without test breeding. The dominant pied is a lot more common

Yes a budgie can be both single factor dominant pied and clearflight pied at the same time. These two mutations are very similar so if your bird had both it would be quite difficult to tell without test breeding. The dominant pied is a lot more common

 

Thank you for the reply Neville. Can you also clarify the difference between Clearflight and Clearwing... is it just the body color dilution that seperates these two???

Edited August 28, 200816 yr by *libby*
Changed clearify to clarify

Clear wings are easy to confuse with greywings as their wing markings are light colored. The difference is that a clearwings body color is bright still. A grewings is diluted

 

clearflights pied will have all White or Yellow flight feathers and some tail feathers will also be clear. ... Clearflight pieds also have a patch of clear feathers on the back of the head.

I think Neat has covered it

Clear wings are easy to confuse with greywings as their wing markings are light colored. The difference is that a clearwings body color is bright still. A grewings is diluted

 

clearflights pied will have all White or Yellow flight feathers and some tail feathers will also be clear. ... Clearflight pieds also have a patch of clear feathers on the back of the head.

 

 

So clearflights can only be pieds??

A bird called a Clear Flight, is a Dominant type Pied, a good show specimen will have Clear flight feathers in the wing & as Neat said the tail flights also. Poorly marked ones can have other Pied markings, in other places.

A bird called a Clear Flight, is a Dominant type Pied, a good show specimen will have Clear flight feathers in the wing & as Neat said the tail flights also. Poorly marked ones can have other Pied markings, in other places.

 

 

okay Norm, so a bird can be a Clearflight dominant pied clearwing? So Patches, that I've been talking about in the other post, is that what she is? picture

 

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n400/ch...5a/DSCN4215.jpg

Edited August 28, 200816 yr by *libby*
changed dominate to dominant

No She is a recessive pied.

 

A clear flight or more acurate a continental clear flight looks like a normal bird with clear flights and tail.

 

In Pieds, there are four basic varieties.

 

Continental Clearflight

Dutch Pieds

Australian Banded Pieds

Recessive Pieds.

 

The first three are dominant and the last one is recessive

 

 

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I have to mention the Dark Eyed Clears which is a special bird that has come from a pairing of Continental Clear Flight to a Recessive Pied.

 

Here is some information on the subject

 

>Continental Clearfights<

>Dark Eyed Clears<

>Recessive Pieds<

It is confusing I know :hap: I have sent you a PM :hap:

No She is a recessive pied.

 

A clear flight or more acurate a continental clear flight looks like a normal bird with clear flights and tail.

 

In Pieds, there are four basic varieties.

 

Continental Clearflight

Dutch Pieds

Australian Banded Pieds

Recessive Pieds.

 

The first three are dominant and the last one is recessive

 

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I have to mention the Dark Eyed Clears which is a special bird that has come from a pairing of Continental Clear Flight to a Recessive Pied.

 

Here is some information on the subject

 

>Continental Clearfights<

>Dark Eyed Clears<

>Recessive Pieds<

 

 

 

okay so here's pics of her iris so I'm gonna say she's not recessive????

 

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n400/ch...5a/DSCN4474.jpg

 

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n400/ch...5a/DSCN4476.jpg

 

So now what???/ LOL

She is not recessive as stated, did Neat's PM clear up the confusion?

She is not recessive as stated, did Neat's PM clear up the confusion?

 

 

Not really. She was going to take another stab at it if I sent the pics with the iris showing... I have a better understanding of pieds now, I think... so I say she is a gree single factor dominate pied hen... ??? Does anyone want to agree so I don't feel totally stupic now?? LOL

I agree

agree

First time I've seen an Orange beak on a dominant?

 

 

Sorry it too a while to get back to you I am sick at the moment

 

But yeah once I seen the pics of her iris rings, I knew she wasn't recessive

But yep agree Dom pied for sure ...

 

Daz - I have 2 at the moment that members have classed my Dom pieds as rec, due to the orange beak too but they have iris rings as well - :hap: Werid though as I have read that the orange beak is a sure sign of recessive pied ....

 

 

Sorry it too a while to get back to you I am sick at the moment

 

But yeah once I seen the pics of her iris rings, I knew she wasn't recessive

But yep agree Dom pied for sure ...

 

Daz - I have 2 at the moment that members have classed my Dom pieds as rec, due to the orange beak too but they have iris rings as well - :hap: Werid though as I have read that the orange beak is a sure sign of recessive pied ....

 

Does the "orange beak" have anything to do with her age... she isn't even a year old yet??? Maybe it too will darken with age? Could she be dominate pied split to recessive??? Just asking cause I don't know the possibilities?

 

And Neat, I hope you are feeling better. You were a wonderful help and if you're that much help when you're sick, you must really kick butt when you're well..... LOL

Orange beak is a recessive pied trait.

 

I have a DF Spangle that Doesn't have Iris rings so does that make her a Dark Eyed Clear???

 

I hae normals that have Pink feet so does that make them Cinnamon or Recessive?

I don't think that it applies to this bird but there a lot of pieds out there that are both dominant and recessive mutations at the same time. If a dominant pied is mated to a recessive it will produce dominant pieds that are split to recessive. If one of these splits is mated to a recessive pied then some of the offspring will be both mutations. These combination pieds with characteristics of both mutations can be quite difficult to identify

This bird does seem to fall between a crack doesnt it ?

This bird does seem to fall between a crack doesnt it ?

Yes it does a bit and I must admit that when I first saw it my impression was recessive but most of the combinations I have seen look more like double factor dominants whereas this bird has definite SF dominant pied characteristics

This bird does seem to fall between a crack doesnt it ?

You have a couple bird like that too remember Kaz, was it Cheeta's baby that looked dominant but was recessive

Thanks Mate, I try to help when I can -

 

 

:hap: Very confusing ....

 

So I have a question if a bird is Dom pied / Recess . Could it still have visual traits of the recessive Pied ??

Edited September 1, 200816 yr by Neat

This bird does seem to fall between a crack doesnt it ? :hap:

You have a couple bird like that too remember Kaz, was it Cheeta's baby that looked dominant but was recessive :hap:

Yes it was. BUT Cheeta got the bird from me and still thought it was a dominant pied. Coming from two recessive pied parents...that was impossible. :hap:

 

 

Here is the topic http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=10068&hl=

Edited September 1, 200816 yr by KAZ