Hi

 

I think I have figured out what sex linked is. It means that the male can be split but the female cant? so a lutino female cannot be split for another mutation but a male lutino can?

 

You are heading in the right direction, but you have it around the wrong way.

 

A normal hen cannot be split for the ino gene. So a normal looking green hen cannot be split lutino, nor can it be split cinnamon, nor can it be split opaline.

 

A normal cock can be split for all three of these.

 

Lutino's and albino's can mask other things.

Don't you love genetics pearce... you almost had it... Like Dave said, If you have a normal green cock it can be split to a sex linked gene, but if you have a normal green hen she can't be. I think that's right anyways

 

I used to think that hens couldn't be split for anything but apparently it is only sex linked genes that they can't be split for...

Thankyou Dave and Jimmy.

 

Some of these mutations are just so confusing. So a cobalt male bird can be split for albino but a cobalt female cannot.

I know a normal hen cannot be split for lutino but can a lutino hen be split for another mutation?

 

This guide which used to work for me does not work anymore

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=18851

 

Does it work for you?

Edited December 28, 200816 yr by pearce

Unfortunatly the silly red mite are back again. No babies are sick but I am going into brisbane to find the ail KAZ suggested. Just wondering if iverctmin can be used on babies over 3 weeks of age and if it will work temporarily against redmite.

Edited December 28, 200816 yr by pearce

Any ino bird will be masking other varieties. Sometimes you may be aware of these for example if the father was a opaline or cinnamon bird split for ino any hen chicks would be ino masking opaline or cinnamon other times if the parents are mixed non sexlinked mutations (for example a normal parent and a dom pied parent thw cock being split for ino) then you wouldn't know what they masked until they were bred

Edited December 28, 200816 yr by melbournebudgies

Thankyou very much Melbournebudgies.

 

The grey factor adds on to the white based or yellow based budgie right... then they are turned into either grey green (yellow based) or grey (white based) is the budgie then dominant? How does this work?

I understand violet is the same as grey?

 

Thankyou all.

 

 

 

I have used scatta 7 under concaves, mite spray , iverctmin. And the red mite are still here. I have orded ail online but it will tale 5 days to get here. This will be the last clutch for all budgies for this year and most of next year. The red mites make me itchy so I cant imagine what they are doing to the budgies.

Unfortunatly the silly red mite are back again. No babies are sick but I am going into brisbane to find the ail KAZ suggested. Just wondering if iverctmin can be used on babies over 3 weeks of age and if it will work temporarily against redmite.

Yes you can use the ivermectin............

I have used scatta 7 under concaves, mite spray , iverctmin. And the red mite are still here. I have orded ail online but it will tale 5 days to get here. This will be the last clutch for all budgies for this year and most of next year. The red mites make me itchy so I cant imagine what they are doing to the budgies.

The mite spray you used wasnt a good one Pearce. Sounds like an infestation that has really taken hold. Believe me they get into everything....you have to strip down every cage to rid yourself of them and spray the ail into every crevice. What looks like dust is the eggs in various spots on cage drinker holders perch slits etc.

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by KAZ

okay Thankyou KAZ

 

This is my current situation.

 

I have 8 breeding cages, 6 steel and 2 wood. The 2 wooden cages have red mite, the steel ones do not. The babies in the wooden cages are all 3 weeks old +. If I were to pull the cages apart, wouldnt that confuse the mother then she wouldnt feed her babies anymore? is 3 weeks old enough to sit the babies in an ice cream container in the bottom of the cage? All night?

 

I kill these things but they keep coming back, would they have a nest somewhere?

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by pearce

okay Thankyou KAZ

 

This is my current situation.

 

I have 8 breeding cages, 6 steel and 2 wood. The 2 wooden cages have red mite, the steel ones do not. The babies in the wooden cages are all 3 weeks old +. If I were to pull the cages apart, wouldnt that confuse the mother then she wouldnt feed her babies anymore? is 3 weeks old enough to sit the babies in an ice cream container in the bottom of the cage? All night?

 

I kill these things but they keep coming back, would they have a nest somewhere?

 

 

The fact is Pearce they are still there and you havent used a product that is known to work which is the A.I.L. I have had thre same trouble recently too ....came in on a bird that was supposed to have been treated but had been "missed" and he infested the whole birdroom.

Dont believe because something is a steeel cage that there wont be mites...they hide at every join of the bars, in the crevices and slots of the perches, ...what looks like dust is mite eggs.

I methodically did each cage with hens on eggs and babies in nests. I cleaned everything from top to bottom while they were in the cages, I replaced all nestboxes with new ones and the ones that came off were heavily sprayed and soaked in ail. All new nesting materials. All cage trays cleaned top and bottom, all paper replaced. I sprayed ail over parents till they were soaked ( early in the day ) and I sprayed chicks too...the littlest chicks got ail rubbed over them by hand. The larger chicks with feathers got ivermectin spot on. All drinkers and dishes were replaced, ladders and toys soaked in ail and replaced after being scrubbed hard. This was about 4 weeks ago and I have had no more of them.

 

You still have the problem as the products you used arent up to fixing it. You may also be underestimating the power of these mites and you virtually need a magnifying glass to look in all the nooks and crannies to see them and eradicate.

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by KAZ

okay so I cannot do anything till the new stuff comes?

I have used iverctmin spot on that I bought from you KAZ, but the red mites are still on the babies. Is their anything from home I can use till the ail comes? Like vinegar or somthing?

Thankyou KAZ

okay so I cannot do anything till the new stuff comes?

I have used iverctmin spot on that I bought from you KAZ, but the red mites are still on the babies. Is their anything from home I can use till the ail comes? Like vinegar or somthing?

Thankyou KAZ

Nothing you have at home apart from the ivermectin ( and a.i.l. ) will work............if they are all on the babies then you have a really bad infestation :star:

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by KAZ

They are sadly on all babies and its annoying me because they make me itchy, imagine what they are doing to the babies. Thankyou for your help KAZ.

Coopex is another thing you can use and I have seen it in hardware stores....it is used to spray and kill the mites. Liv and Neat knows all about it so ask them about their experience with it

okay I will ring up the hardware stores and see if they sell coopex.

 

Currently the steel cages have no signs of red mite, but they will spread to them if the red mite arent killed. I have ordered ail but it sadly will not be here for 7 days so hopefully I can find somewhere that will sell me coopex.

Are red mite deadly to budgies over 3 weeks of age?

Are red mite deadly to budgies over 3 weeks of age?

Enough bites, bloodloss and stress from red mites to the budgies and any budgie would get sick and die I would imagine Pearce...fingers crossed for all of yours and the cure comes for them very soon.

okay Thankyou KAZ

 

You know the iverctmin spot on, how long does it take to come into effect and is it meant for red mite? I thought it was just a cure for scaly face but I've read articles that say it gets rid of all mite. I put it on parents and babies yesterday 1 drop to the back of the neck, but their are still red mite.

The red mite are very small, quite hard to see. They seem to come in and out of the budgies ears and feathers. I've been looking up scatta-7 online and its a tick remover for cats and dogs... but the breeder I got it from used it to treat red mite, I hope it isnt deadly to birds.

okay Thankyou KAZ

 

You know the iverctmin spot on, how long does it take to come into effect and is it meant for red mite? I thought it was just a cure for scaly face but I've read articles that say it gets rid of all mite. I put it on parents and babies yesterday 1 drop to the back of the neck, but their are still red mite.

The red mite are very small, quite hard to see. They seem to come in and out of the budgies ears and feathers. I've been looking up scatta-7 online and its a tick remover for cats and dogs... but the breeder I got it from used it to treat red mite, I hope it isnt deadly to birds.

I am not sure how long before the ivermectin will help with red mite Pearce, the mites have to bite the bird to get a dose or two of the ivermectin. Your poor budgies :star: They are having a very rough time of it....I have all my fingers and toes crossed for them Pearce :angel1:

Thankyou very much for all your help KAZ.

The red mite are very hard to spot, I wish I had noticed them earlier and I could of got rid of them without losing 4 budgies.

 

If I cannot find coopex or some other treatment tomorow I think I'm going to move all budgies out of wooden cages. Then put them into steel cages and put the babis on the floor in an icecream container. I dont see anything I have to lose by doing this. I will never be using wooden breeding cages again either. I will also make sure I have ail in my cupboard constantly.

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by pearce

Hi all

 

Red mite are getting worse. They are caked around the eyes of the birds and are coming out from everywhere.

Im putting them all in a fish tank and Im going to hand raise them with an eyedropper. Im not experienced with handraising so any advice would be greatly appreciated. I do not have a choice.

 

Thankyou.

An eye dropper is not the correct way to feed babies Pearce

I agree with kaz,

 

Your red mite issue can be combated with the right treatment. what you are using mustn't be enough to kill the mites.

 

Also coopex can be bought at fodder stores - garden shops etc

Its not something you get from a pet shop

Edited December 29, 200816 yr by **Liv**

okay I will use a spoon.

 

I have been to every hardware store, stock feed store and pet shop in my area and none sell coopex, they just sell the stuff I'm currently using that will not work.

I really hope it improves for you soon pearce.