I just wanted to show some pics of my spangle that was born with plum eyes that Norm was interested in seeing. I would also be interested in other peoples opinions. When i posted pics of him as a baby, Daz mentioned that cinnamon eyes can be a sign of a df spangle so i was very excited because i really wanted a df spangle but he has turned out with white wings and head but a blue colouring on his chest. he has no check spots. He is gorgeous but i am wondering what exactly is his mutation then and what would have caused the plum eyes as a baby? He definitly had plum eyes, it was not the flash on the camera.

 

 

 

That's excellent Deb, that you kept a photo of when he was young, nobody can say you were just imagining it. Now we just need a picture of him showing his wings & breast & a picture of Mum & Dad would be good also. He certainly seems something different in that he had the plum eyes & now looks something like a Clearwing Sky-Blue. Maybe it means he has some Cinnamon in there somewhere & maybe the wing pattern has removed any trace of it. As maybe the case if Melbourne Budgies bird if in fact it turns out a DF Spangle as she thought. I heard from a top show breeder that they breed Cinnamon into their DF Spangles to improve the feather. I don't think there's a class for Cinnamon Spangle only Normals so you would have to keep two different lines.

 

 

Ooops… there was only one picture downloaded, now after I posted two others downloaded, for some reason sometimes the pictures don’t download at first for me.

 

From that second picture it looks very much like those DF Melanistic Spangles that Daz showed us before. The wing is completely clear of pattern, like a Clear Wing, but the body Blue seems Diluted. I have some Black Eyed Selfs that have Cinnamon in them, but I haven’t noticed if any have Plum eyes when first born. But even in those Dilutes [bES] they still have wing pattern, it will be good to see what others think & if we knew what Mum & Dad looked like might help.

Edited July 22, 200816 yr by Norm

Here is a couple of pics of the parents, i will ask Jenene to take some more pics of the baby but i will not be able to get them till this afternoon.

 

 

The Mum looks a lot like a White Black Eyed Self, has she Black Eyes? If she is a BES unless the Spangle cock is split for BES or some Dilute you would only expect to get Blues about 50% Spangles. But with Mum being White it is hard to know what she could be masking, maybe even Spangle. We better wait & see what others may think….interesting Deb.

The chick could be a recessive pied....I have had some that looked like that. If there is BES as Norm says in the heredity then the chance of a recessive pied is there.

The mum has white iris rings so i assumed she is a white df spangle. The dad is carrying opaline because one of the chicks is a blue opaline spangle [Roxy].

I have never had a DF spangle with that much colour through it, so that throws me. Suffusion to me is a hint of the base colour only seen in certain light conditions or shows up by flash of camera. I am not used to seeing that much colour and it still called a DF spangle.

I have never had a DF spangle with that much colour through it, so that throws me. Suffusion to me is a hint of the base colour only seen in certain light conditions or shows up by flash of camera. I am not used to seeing that much colour and it still called a DF spangle.

 

 

Is that the mum or the baby you are talking about, is the mum a df spangle? What would the mutation of the baby be called then?

Sorry I just thought, Mum could be a DF Spangle I wasn't thinking of that at the time. But if she was DF Spangle most of the chicks would be DF wouldn't you think & few SF Spangles?

I bought a White bird before that looked like a BES but it turned out a DF Spangle, unless you knew the breeding I would think it almost impossible to pick the difference.

Edited July 22, 200816 yr by Norm

I have never had a DF spangle with that much colour through it, so that throws me. Suffusion to me is a hint of the base colour only seen in certain light conditions or shows up by flash of camera. I am not used to seeing that much colour and it still called a DF spangle.

 

 

Is that the mum or the baby you are talking about, is the mum a df spangle? What would the mutation of the baby be called then?

I was referrinbg to the chick...that if you think its a df spangle.....I am not used to seeing that much colour in any df spangle I know of thats all. Not saying it cannot happen...it just hasnt happened in my breeding of DF spangles.

I have never had a DF spangle with that much colour through it, so that throws me. Suffusion to me is a hint of the base colour only seen in certain light conditions or shows up by flash of camera. I am not used to seeing that much colour and it still called a DF spangle.

 

 

Is that the mum or the baby you are talking about, is the mum a df spangle? What would the mutation of the baby be called then?

I was referrinbg to the chick...that if you think its a df spangle.....I am not used to seeing that much colour in any df spangle I know of thats all. Not saying it cannot happen...it just hasnt happened in my breeding of DF spangles.

 

 

i not sure what the chick is, i am still trying to work out genetics. i thought if i put 2 spangles together than i would get spangle babies so i would love for someone to tell me what this baby is.

Recessives can happen in any breeding. I guess we will have to wait and see if the chick ends up with iris rings or not

Edited July 22, 200816 yr by KAZ

Thanks for your ideas, i think all of its breast is blue but i will still get some more recent pics of it.

It's a DF spangle chick. I also recently found out that they're born with plum eyes, before that i had no idea. A few of the DF spangles i got from mars and his partner have bad suffision and all came out with plum eyes, I presumed they were cinnamons.

Interesting Libby, that bodes well for my chick then. We can use my little one a test case to confirm. I also have Ozzie who is a DF spangle but has the same suffusion across the chest as yours Deb

Interesting Libby, that bodes well for my chick then. We can use my little one a test case to confirm. I also have Ozzie who is a DF spangle but has the same suffusion across the chest as yours Deb

 

 

It will be interesting to see how yours turn out, cannot wait till they are feathered. I would love to see a photo of Ozzie.

Ozzie:

 

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x259/er...ax/DSC00772.jpg

Edited July 22, 200816 yr by **Liv**
photo turned to link because it was over the size regulation of 640x480, resize before posting images again

he is a interesting looking budgie, is that a slight green colour in his chest.

Yes his chest is green

 

in the last photo you posted he looks like a pied more than a spangle.

He's a pied Df spangle, the suffision shows through his pied markings that're masked

We had a whole other thread going on him. Because of a combination of his eye colour, cheeks spots, foot colour and a few other things the general consensus was that he was DF spangle and was possibly masking pied which was suffused through his feathers. I have him down to breed with a nice spangle hen now so we'll be able to work out more once we have some chicks from him. Given your chick shows the same colour through the feathers it will be interesting to see what we get out of him.

Doesn't a double Factor Spangle have the Silvery white cheek Patches Again I don't know much

And Plum eyes babies mean dark eye clears????

Edited July 22, 200816 yr by **Liv**
fixed double post

Plum eyes come from Recessives, DEC's, DF spangles and cinnamons, given the parents the most likely of these via genetics and visually is DF spangle.

i have a picture of my badly suffused YF2 DF spangle but my comp won't let me upload it at the moment

Deb, What were the other babies from this nest? I am going to assume that there were Spangles in there and that this one is a DF