I wanted to start a topic that has it's origin in the RSPCA post.

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....20086&st=20

It has to do with the interpretation between Inbreeding and line breeding.

To do this I will need to re-post some of the text from the fore mentioned post.

I think it is a important particular point of view.

That people should think about, as I feel that many have been mislead.

 

 

 

I disagree ( Yeah I know, what's new! )

 

The definitions were a lot clearer in the past ( Yeah I know, here he goes with the past )

 

Even in some of the new books I believe they get it wrong! The new Binks book has bought in some new terms that are extensions or variations of certain outcomes. That to a new beginner or even some with a few years experience would leave them scratching there head.

 

Line breeding is breeding with a particular line of birds. Now lets say the imports were again open for budgies. And Daz bought in 10 pairs of Mannes birds. Now if he kept them together and bred them for three or four years working different combinations. Which you could do easily without breeding relatives together and he didn't mix them with his new 6 birds of Gary Armstrongs.

That is line breeding !

 

Inbreeding is the deliberate combining of relatives brother to sister, uncle to brother etc etc.

For generation after generation

That is Inbreeding !

 

Gene percentages I think is a very rough guild. The gene combination in any living creature is endless so to say they will have 50% this and 25% that is just as I said a very broad guess.

As far as show breeding, yes you need to look for bird faults. Hinged tail, poor colour etc, etc

But that applies weather you are inbreeding, line breeding ,out crossing whatever.

 

The problem is with many of the top breeders in the U.K they have looked at different breeds such as race horses to see how they breed a champion and try to transfer that to budgies. The problem with that is the race horse gene pool is very shallow with all the race horse in the world being related to only a handful. Budgies have such a diverse and deep gene pool that a lot of these theories are just not relevant and don't work!

That concludes my lecture for this morning! Please read "The Challenge Chapter"

27 and submit a 1000 word essay on what you think is relevant in this chapter

to show budgies in Australia today. Thankyou!

 

If you did read chapter 27 you would have come across the Inbreeding and line breeding section where Mr Binks talks about W. Watmough a breeder from the past that held the old, I would say correct view.

 

I have found this forum very beneficial to myself!

In just putting my thoughts and views in this format.

This has helped me almost defrag what is jumbled in my head, and make things a lot clearer.

Even if no one replies it is an exercise for myself.

Edited July 13, 200817 yr by throwback

It's called line breeding if it works and in breeding if it does not

 

Sorry old saying for cattle breeding days. Could not resist

It's called line breeding if it works and in breeding if it does not

 

Sorry old saying for cattle breeding days. Could not resist

 

 

throwback, there was another good post I think started by one of our other show breeders about this too, maybe to a search and link it on to your article. Good on you for clarifying.

I have read the Watmough book - in particular the chapter on Inbreeding and Line Breeding, and take the same view as you TB.

Finally I understand the differences ...

 

So when I get my hands on GOOD BLOODLINES I will Line breed them :hap:

YAY