I have a lovely clearwing cock I was hoping would mate with my lovely clearwing hen, but since doing an aviary reshuffle, I have noticed he is courting another hen. She is also a nice size bird, so for size, I wouldnt mind at all if they bred (mind you I dont have a cabinet for them yet, so they will just have to wait for a bit). She is a dark green (I think) recessive pied cinnamon and he is a dark green clearwing. I know its all luck of the draw and I dont know their parentage, but being two recessive genes, I was just wondering what I might get with these two. Any ideas?

Harrison my clearwing cock

Cindy is the hen sitting lower down

All green birds unless split to blue .....

Hen's will be cinny and well that is the best I'cve got lol

someone else could tell you the out comes better

Thanks for having a stab Neat :budgiedance:

I think we discussed this once a while ago, I think the concensus was that you would get one type or the other taking over the dominance. Many of the clearwings I have seen have very light grey markingson their wings so maybe you'll get cinnamon clearwings with the cinnamon only showing up on the tips of the feathers where they tend to get the grey

That sounds pretty good to me MB! I can only hope :budgiedance:

Other than that I have no idea :budgiedance:

You'll get all normals of the green series, cocks split to cinnamon and all offspring split to recessive pied and clearwing.

Presuming there's no hidden genes :budgiedance:

If both birds are split to blue you'll get the same outcome but with blue birds also...

How do you get normals? If the birds were carrying 'normal' then they would be visual normals since that is dominant wouldn't they.

You need both parents to show or at least be split for clearwing or rec pied for it to show up, not just the one. As the hen is cinnamon you wont get visual cinnamons unless the male is also split for it.

So the pairing of these two will throw back to just visual normal greens? (with splits of course)

So is clearwing a masking gene or a recessive? If it is recessive then I can't see how you could get normal babies

The birds are both recessive genes. Without the other bird carrying the same recessive gene you will only get normals. That's how it works. Every mutations is called a "mutation" for a reason. When there's no mutation that can be visually produced all birds automatically become "normal" offspring.

Yep, that's right Trace

*stomps feet* Well theyre' not having babies then!!!!

Think of the split genes Trace They're still good

Yeah, one of those babies then put back to a pied or cinnamon or clearwing bird you'd get some lovely splits

Think of the split genes Trace They're still good

 

Oh you and your splits..............YOU of all people should know I'm too impatient for all that LOL

Pairing a split to a bird who shows the gene or carries it will give visuals, which is why it's worth keeping splits sometimes

Well, I'll think about it........unless I find a gorgeous big lacewing cock to marry my cute lil lacewing gal

They'd still be pretty babies, some of my aviary faves are normals

Well when that marriage happens Trace, you're posting me over the offspring haha we'll make a deal, I'll trade you one crest, one violet and a fallow for your lacewing babies hehe

:D

Well I better find that cock soon then!! LOL

I do a lot of pairing based on birds that just like each other. It does not always appear to be an ideal combination especially when odd combinations like lutino squires are attracted to recessive pied hens, and spangle pied squires to clearwing hens. However I have found the results generally to be quite good allowing the birds to pair themselves naturally. (If I don't like the pair, I take the one out that I don't want to use and see who the other pairs up with next and if this is suitable for what I would like to breed, I pair them.)

 

I believe that animals are naturally attracted to a mate who they deem more reproductively appropriate and thus will produce more and vigorous offspring. Though it may not always be the best option for keeping "show bird" lines pure. Oh well. It seems to work for me anyway, and I only select the best offspring to continue breeding with, the others become wonderful pets.

I'm much the same DrNat. I try to let pairs pick one another out in the aviary, although for my "showier birds" who have a shorter breeding life and I want to make good use of their genes I'll select for them e.g. fallows and such.

luckily enough for me so far they've all liked their partners

See MB never mess with Libby she knows her mutations lol