GB, I understand exactly what you are saying, and theoretically even the best breeders have birds that have the potential to introduce disease into any aviary.

 

You are also right about mega - it is a secondary infection that affects birds once their immune system is low due to something else. Most budgies in Australia are thought to carry mega as I understand, thus the non-exportation policy that currently exists. The secondary infection here is the key point. How do you avoid the onset of a secondary infection that all birds appear to have? Best method is to do everything to prevent the onset of the primary infection.

 

In this partcular case, stress is what is going to count as the primary infection. The new birds were isolated for only a week, they were examined for any signs of primary infection, droppings were normal. The stress from going from a large aviary to a small cage can really stress some birds out. We have recently see with a bird that Kaz had that was plucking its primary feathers that stress can have a massive effect on birds. My birds were really not setting in the smaller cage, constanly running and seeking to escape, what I would call dangerous flight attempts and general uneasiness they displayed.

 

Therefore I made the decision to introduce the birds to the larger aviary.

 

I am sorry for the loss of your birds, I have no idea the quality of the breeder you got them from. I know where mine came from. The aviary is impecable for its cleanliness and the quality of birds it produces. I have seen it with my own two eyes. The birds were not at a show, where they mixed with other birds. They came from one aviary to my place.

 

Quarantining is about ensuring the birds are healthy and not intriducing potential hazards to your flock. Mega is something that is in most budgies, so that is not being introdcued. No other illnesses were apparent or present that I could determine. The only way these birds were going to become sick is if they remained in a smaller cage, not an aviary, thus to avoid the secondary infection resulting from stress, they were put in the aviary.

 

You also state that a bird can carry illness for up to 6 months. How long do you want people to quarantine for?

 

Quarantine is to protect a flock from the unknown. When the unknown is known, the quarantine period is naturally shorter.

 

I know you say you are not having a go at my quarantine procedures however it does seem that your use of generic statements and theories about quarantine did not take into account specific factors that relate to this situation. I do appreciate the comments and the thought that you put into them, however I do think you have missed many of the major contributing factors that impacted and affected the decision I reached.

 

So everyone knows, the birds are doing well and all is good.

 

mate i honestly was not saying any of that to relate to what you did

i just wanted other to see that quarinteen does count and why what you said its a bout the birds reactions

the birds i lost were from the exact places so... dave i was just stating that all so others did not think well dave did it so i will to

as i said i often do the same but i do wait two weeks

and i just make sure their in a larger flight aviry to prevent from being in small cages as as you said it can cause strss in its self

 

i dont expect anyone to quarinteen for 6 months i think the 90 days is to much

as i said you can tell a sick bird with in two weeks

by a few aspects

my birds died from stress related simptoms and no fault from the sender or flock they came from and i know that for certain

also was no fault of mine

as i did all the right things

i just want people to be awear that quarintine is not something you can dismiss so quickly

and adding birds NEW ONES can be fatal to them as all avirys carry diffrent bugs at diffrent amunitys

 

please dave i was not haveing go at you at all i know your quiet cappable of distwingwishing a ill or not quiet right bird

ps my birds caught cold but it was due to the temp diffrence and diffrent aviry conditions

if i had of kept them longer in the other flight to adjust they may be alive now

totally my call their for i guess was myfaultafter all

my fault

Edited May 9, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

Understood GB.

 

No issues.

I like those 2 greens too Dav, I was thinking wow you have done an excellent job, but still what you have bred are great too. well done.

Now the job of finding the right hen for the light green one.

 

The dark green one recently bred with a john hewitt hen with 4 good offspring

Just by the photos Dave , to me you need to put the dk green and lt green cocks with hen with bigger spots, maybe an opaline. the light green cock has tear drop spots from here. So if they were my birds that's what I would do.

 

I have more experience breeders drumming it into me not to double up on faults.

I am still trying to work out the shoulder bit, I can tell from a skinny bird but some better birds I struggle with until I spot them and then I can see it. AND I am not sure as it is only a photo but the light green cock could be a bit narrow in the shoulder because his bib looks narrow to me, so if that is the case make sure you find him a hen with could chest and shoulder and great big spots.

 

AS with me here, I am trying to breed the bird and will worry about variety later. For example I do not have many normals left, culled too hard, so I have decided to put the best to the best with out worrying about the variety, meaning spangle to cinn spangle which I really didn't want to as judges seem to hate them. Dom pied to spangle as I need more feather on the spangle. AND colour wise I don't care what colour I put to what, as a month ago i did, I really wanted to put grey to my df spangles to improve the suffusion but my grey hens turned out to be duds so now they are going with spangles and i will breed more spangles.

AS LONG AS I IMPROVE ON THE QUALITY OF THE BIRD>

My spangles have good chest and shoulder and size,

where is my violet line lack a bit of shoulder, not all of them but some from the same nest, so I have brought in an outcross hen that has a huge frame and love big chest and shoulder, but she does lack feather above the eye.. Just hope she throughs good stuff.

 

I hope this helps....

mate all i can say is wow to sume off them birds you have a got a good eye mate best off luck breeding them

Just by the photos Dave , to me you need to put the dk green and lt green cocks with hen with bigger spots, maybe an opaline. the light green cock has tear drop spots from here. So if they were my birds that's what I would do.

 

I have more experience breeders drumming it into me not to double up on faults.

I am still trying to work out the shoulder bit, I can tell from a skinny bird but some better birds I struggle with until I spot them and then I can see it. AND I am not sure as it is only a photo but the light green cock could be a bit narrow in the shoulder because his bib looks narrow to me, so if that is the case make sure you find him a hen with could chest and shoulder and great big spots.

 

AS with me here, I am trying to breed the bird and will worry about variety later. For example I do not have many normals left, culled too hard, so I have decided to put the best to the best with out worrying about the variety, meaning spangle to cinn spangle which I really didn't want to as judges seem to hate them. Dom pied to spangle as I need more feather on the spangle. AND colour wise I don't care what colour I put to what, as a month ago i did, I really wanted to put grey to my df spangles to improve the suffusion but my grey hens turned out to be duds so now they are going with spangles and i will breed more spangles.

AS LONG AS I IMPROVE ON THE QUALITY OF THE BIRD>

My spangles have good chest and shoulder and size,

where is my violet line lack a bit of shoulder, not all of them but some from the same nest, so I have brought in an outcross hen that has a huge frame and love big chest and shoulder, but she does lack feather above the eye.. Just hope she throughs good stuff.

 

I hope this helps....

 

This all helps, thanks very much. I think I have developed a good eye for what makes a good bird these days, but there is still room for improvement.

 

The pairing is the next thing i am working on. A lot to learn there.

Both greens are nice birds but it is the Dark Green that caught my eye.

 

Looks like you have bred some really nice birds Dave.

Some I have bred, some I have bought, but i am headed in the right direction I think. Thank you everyone for the nice comments.

Just by the photos Dave , to me you need to put the dk green and lt green cocks with hen with bigger spots, maybe an opaline. the light green cock has tear drop spots from here. So if they were my birds that's what I would do.

 

I have more experience breeders drumming it into me not to double up on faults.

I am still trying to work out the shoulder bit, I can tell from a skinny bird but some better birds I struggle with until I spot them and then I can see it. AND I am not sure as it is only a photo but the light green cock could be a bit narrow in the shoulder because his bib looks narrow to me, so if that is the case make sure you find him a hen with could chest and shoulder and great big spots.

 

AS with me here, I am trying to breed the bird and will worry about variety later. For example I do not have many normals left, culled too hard, so I have decided to put the best to the best with out worrying about the variety, meaning spangle to cinn spangle which I really didn't want to as judges seem to hate them. Dom pied to spangle as I need more feather on the spangle. AND colour wise I don't care what colour I put to what, as a month ago i did, I really wanted to put grey to my df spangles to improve the suffusion but my grey hens turned out to be duds so now they are going with spangles and i will breed more spangles.

AS LONG AS I IMPROVE ON THE QUALITY OF THE BIRD>

My spangles have good chest and shoulder and size,

where is my violet line lack a bit of shoulder, not all of them but some from the same nest, so I have brought in an outcross hen that has a huge frame and love big chest and shoulder, but she does lack feather above the eye.. Just hope she throughs good stuff.

 

I hope this helps....

 

I found this post very helpful also.

Some new - the red is beetroot, relax people.

 

Kiwi and Twitch - still together, 6 months on. They might get another shot at parenthood. Both are stil young, and they seemt o produce some fine looking offspring.

 

Offspring of Kiwi and Twitch - GreyGreen Cinnamon Wing

 

Greg Gregoriou bred cinnamon greygreen hen - she is an 08 bird. When she went down to breed last time, she was an egg eater. Time to try her again I think. I love this bird.

 

Jester - what a handsome boy - he needs a girlfriend

 

I never get bored of this vibrant blue - this son of Dumber is a very pretty bird

 

Quiche hanging out with friends

 

It is like seeing double - Jester on the right with a son of Dumb and Kestral on the left

 

The Mighty Caesar

 

A young upstart to Caesar's thrown

 

A 2010 bred opaline I bred next to a 2010 Cec Gearing Albino

 

A hen i have never bred - tough when she may well be a cull bird - she has a good head on her

 

Litte Greywing next to a beetroot mouth spangle 09 hen

 

More to be added after someone has posted

Very cool ...keep em coming

Cec Gearing bred 2010 cock on the left and Dave McMinn bred 2010 Dommie Pied hen on the right

 

A lovely pair of spangles on the left.

 

Mmmm-mmm...beetroot

 

Nice Dommie Pied Hen - 09 bird

 

Same dommie pied hen with a very nice opaline cock/lutino

 

Natural branches are fun as well as good roughage

 

The big picture shot

Oh my goodness Dave !!!! :yes: He looks fluorescent !!! STUNNING.....

 

 

 

 

Oh my goodness Dave !!!! :yes: He looks fluorescent !!! STUNNING.....

 

 

 

 

 

He really does look like that in real life, not just in the picture. It is tough, as I love that coloring the most - a bright blue spangle - but I have a few of them, so some might need to go - tough really.

Beautiful birds Dave, as a point of interest, looks like you feed yours fresh beetroot? How long does it take to clean up their feathers does the colour stain them.

Beautiful birds Dave, as a point of interest, looks like you feed yours fresh beetroot? How long does it take to clean up their feathers does the colour stain them.

 

Thanks Robyn.

 

I do feed them fresh beetroot. The colour temporarily stains the feather sround the mouth, and chest feathers if they rub up against it. the colour only lasts a couple of days, then it is gone like it was never there.

except for on albinos mine stay pink for weeks

except for on albinos mine stay pink for weeks

 

Mine don't, that is strange.

except for on albinos mine stay pink for weeks

How are you serving it...I recall you saying once you served it pickled in vinegar ?

except for on albinos mine stay pink for weeks

How are you serving it...I recall you saying once you served it pickled in vinegar ?

yea nar i stopped that i got told i was stupid to do that as two much troubble i only did it as i thought it helpped keep gullet healthy

i just serve raw but my albinos stay pink for weeks

so not something they would get at show season

i got a hen their now she rolled over the freash cut carrots shes still orange top to tail its been 4 days now

that might be the difference, none of mine roll in it

Well good to know everyone's birds like beetroot, my breeding birds got a lot of sweet corn Hubby grew, look's like I can raid his beetroot next season as well. L.o.L. sshhh!

A few red faced pics due to beetroot, and at the end, a still growing quiche hanging out with the big boys

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too civilized for this behaviour

 

 

 

Quiche and the big boys

 

 

Edited August 8, 201014 yr by Dave_McMinn

Quiche looks a perfect combination of both his parents