Licence for this, licence for that. Maybe we need a licence to breathe??? Are we really going to continue to be this silly about life? The whole idea is to learn and to simplify it, not to continue to create more complications for ourselves.

I remember seeing a simpsons episode where homer put signs everywhere so people knew what too do , This is the same thing,

We are in the twenty first century , no one can think for themselves anymore they have to be told what they can and cant do , no one is responsible for anything , its always someone elses fault , I can go on and on , but the fact is this is our future .

I have two apprentices that work for my company and its taken me months to teach them, For one that there is more to learn in life and they dont know everything and two to make decisions and have a go , this is our youth and it all comes back to Morals and Responsibilities .

In my industry there is a licence for everything and you have to pay for it , so why not licence some more people and keep on raising that revenue.

 

 

It's a Y generation thing! They want everything handed to them.

I have a lot of fun with the young blokes, they are so stupid and gullible! and it seem the higher the education they have, the more naive they are, with absolutely no common sense!

 

I disagree...but then thats probably to be expected because I am a gen Y. I don't want to be told what to do - I'll do what I want to do (within reason because I'm a strictly law-abiding person)....this certainly isn't a "Nineteen Eighty Four" society, its a long way off that and I don't think it'll ever happen. Of course, most young men seem stupid but thats the same with all generations! My dad did some pretty stupid things when he was young (one event involving a lump of sodium and Lake Eildon...after a bit much alcohol of course). Now he's turned into the 'wise old man' type .

 

Society's too human-centric anyway...I like to steer clear of it most of the time. Budgies may be "bird brained" but at least they live guilt-free (and they get humans to wait hand and foot on them)!

 

I'm not talking about stupid as in pranks or seeing what happens if you do this or that. But stupid in the ways of the world. My mates son went to Ireland, the last night they told him they were having a party for him being a Aussie and all. He left his stuff in his room, when he got back his card that had $9000 on it was gone! So Dad bailed him out and he come home!

Six months later he went to Amsterdam where he had $12000 rip off him! (I didn't want to know the story of that little adventure!! A young guy in Amsterdam!! )

As I said STUPID in the ways of the world.

And you can't tell them!! They know it all !!

 

Imagine the budgies $21K would get ya!!

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by throwback

"I dont want to be told what to do - Ill do what I want to do " Generation Y , I rest my case.!!

The problem is sterotyping...not all generation ys are bad/ignorant/etc etc. I would say most young people are ignorant of the "real world"...but that isn't something unique to generation y, everything that is "young" is ignorant to an extent and if you don't learn quickly you might not survive (in terms of other animals, not just humans). And there are going to be people (like you) who are a little ahead of the rest.

What I wonder though is whether our generation is staying emotionally young until later though. In the past young people had more responsibilities and were babyed less than they are now. I have worked as a 'nanny' for teenage kids that didn't even know how to grill cheese on toast!

True, I have a uni friend who can't cook canned soup or anything else for that matter. But I think its because our generation hasn't been taught. The only reason I know how to cook is because my high school made it compulsory to do Home Ec in Year 8 and 9. Is it gen y's fault if they are babied or should their parents have taught them this stuff? It may well be because society has changed from the "traditional" ways 50 or more years ago where (quote my dad) "the only place that was open on a Sunday was church", Sunday roasts etc etc. To now where everything is commercilised (sorry for the spelling) and both women and men are "expected" to work full time and have kids as well. People think they need wide screen TVs. You get the picture.Actually, on the topic of babying...my parents told me throughout my childhood to never grow up. My dad even got my brother to promise (when he was 7) that he'll never grow up! Wasn't it about a hundred years ago that children went straight from childhood to adulthood?

"I dont want to be told what to do - Ill do what I want to do " Generation Y , I rest my case.!!

Well, no actually because you said:"no one can think for themselves anymore they have to be told what they can and cant do , no one is responsible for anything , its always someone elses fault"Which certainly isn't "I don't want to be told what to do -I'll do what I want to do". Of course, when you take it out of context it does sound like something a hoon might say. What I really meant was that I don't want to be spoon-fed; let me make my own discisions...which is what people need to do: you can not learn if you don't make the mistakes of which to learn from.

No matter how you raise your kids though I think they need to understand those important life lessons though. Those same teenagers I cared for looked at my little boy who was 18 months old at the time (we lived in an apartment on the property) when they came to visit us and he was cleaning his own room "Is he cleaning his own room, my dad does that for me! " he stated in amazement. This kid was 15, I doubt he'll ever move out!

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by melbournebudgies

Licence for this, licence for that. Maybe we need a licence to breathe??? Are we really going to continue to be this silly about life? The whole idea is to learn and to simplify it, not to continue to create more complications for ourselves.

I remember seeing a simpsons episode where homer put signs everywhere so people knew what too do , This is the same thing,

We are in the twenty first century , no one can think for themselves anymore they have to be told what they can and cant do , no one is responsible for anything , its always someone elses fault , I can go on and on , but the fact is this is our future .

I have two apprentices that work for my company and its taken me months to teach them, For one that there is more to learn in life and they dont know everything and two to make decisions and have a go , this is our youth and it all comes back to Morals and Responsibilities .

In my industry there is a licence for everything and you have to pay for it , so why not licence some more people and keep on raising that revenue.

 

 

It's a Y generation thing! They want everything handed to them.

I have a lot of fun with the young blokes, they are so stupid and gullible! and it seem the higher the education they have, the more naive they are, with absolutely no common sense!

 

I disagree...but then thats probably to be expected because I am a gen Y. I don't want to be told what to do - I'll do what I want to do (within reason because I'm a strictly law-abiding person)....this certainly isn't a "Nineteen Eighty Four" society, its a long way off that and I don't think it'll ever happen. Of course, most young men seem stupid but thats the same with all generations! My dad did some pretty stupid things when he was young (one event involving a lump of sodium and Lake Eildon...after a bit much alcohol of course). Now he's turned into the 'wise old man' type .

 

Society's too human-centric anyway...I like to steer clear of it most of the time. Budgies may be "bird brained" but at least they live guilt-free (and they get humans to wait hand and foot on them)!

 

I'm not talking about stupid as in pranks or seeing what happens if you do this or that. But stupid in the ways of the world. My mates son went to Ireland, the last night they told him they were having a party for him being a Aussie and all. He left his stuff in his room, when he got back his card that had $9000 on it was gone! So Dad bailed him out and he come home!

Six months later he went to Amsterdam where he had $12000 rip off him! (I didn't want to know the story of that little adventure!! A young guy in Amsterdam!! )

As I said STUPID in the ways of the world.

And you can't tell them!! They know it all !!

 

Imagine the budgies $21K would get ya!!

 

Well, he was pretty stupid to get ripped off the second time. But you can't expect young people to know everything - you have to let them learn for themselves! Just like every generation - I'm sure plenty of young people got ripped off in the 60s, 70s and 80s. But just because one young bloke gets ripped off overseas because he is ignorant (and probably didn't read all the government material thats around - like not taking pics of government buildings in some countries (yep, those ads are back)) doesn't mean the whole generation is!

 

If the average price of a budgie is $15 = 1400 budgies.

The problem is stereotyping...not all generation yes are bad/ignorant/etc etc. I would say most young people are ignorant of the "real world"...but that isn't something unique to generation y, everything that is "young" is ignorant to an extent and if you don't learn quickly you might not survive (in terms of other animals, not just humans). And there are going to be people (like you) who are a little ahead of the rest.

What I wonder though is whether our generation is staying emotionally young until later though. In the past young people had more responsibilities and were babied less than they are now. I have worked as a 'nanny' for teenage kids that didn't even know how to grill cheese on toast!

True, I have a uni friend who can't cook canned soup or anything else for that matter. But I think its because our generation hasn't been taught. The only reason I know how to cook is because my high school made it compulsory to do Home Ed in Year 8 and 9. Is it gen y's fault if they are babied or should their parents have taught them this stuff? It may well be because society has changed from the "traditional" ways 50 or more years ago where (quote my dad) "the only place that was open on a Sunday was church", Sunday roasts etc etc. To now where everything is commercialized (sorry for the spelling) and both women and men are "expected" to work full time and have kids as well. People think they need wide screen TVs. You get the picture. Actually, on the topic of babying...my parents told me throughout my childhood to never grow up. My dad even got my brother to promise (when he was 7) that he'll never grow up! Wasn't it about a hundred years ago that children went straight from childhood to adulthood?

"I don't want to be told what to do - Ill do what I want to do " Generation Y , I rest my case.!!

Well, no actually because you said:"no one can think for themselves anymore they have to be told what they can and cant do , no one is responsible for anything , its always someone else's fault"Which certainly isn't "I don't want to be told what to do -I'll do what I want to do". Of course, when you take it out of context it does sound like something a hoon might say. What I really meant was that I don't want to be spoon-fed; let me make my own decisions...which is what people need to do: you can not learn if you don't make the mistakes of which to learn from.

 

WOW! okay? Cooking:- Gen Y hasn't been taught!? Yet year 8 and 9 you have Home Ed, which I think all schools have now.

 

Yes life is a lot more commercial! Church and the pub if I remember rightly was open Sundays.

 

Your Dad not wanting you to grow up was probably him not wanting to get older himself.

Seeing your kids grow up hits Dads pretty hard! and is a wake up call to there own mortality.

Something that has crossed my mind lately.

 

Yes I do get the picture on my 153cm flat-screen!

 

Goodluck to you Caheao I sincerely wish you well!

 

And fixed your spelling mistakes.

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by throwback

No matter how you raise your kids though I think they need to understand those important life lessons though. Those same teenagers I cared for looked at my little boy who was 18 months old at the time (we lived in an apartment on the property) when they came to visit us and he was cleaning his own room "Is he cleaning his own room, my dad does that for me! " he stated in amazement. This kid was 15, I doubt he'll ever move out!

 

My parents haven't clean my room since before I can remember, but at the same time they either "failed" to teach me or maybe it is just genetics (most likely) "how" to clean my room so I'm a moderately messy person. But I don't want anyone to clean my room, and often when I do clean up I "lose" things because I'm used to them in their messy spot! But I pretty sure that it may be genetic, in which case it has nothing to do with generations.

 

My parents actually don't want me and my brother (have also have two other ones who are older) to move out. The only reason my brother who is still at home, is still at home is because he can't afford to move out. I'd probably move out too if I could afford to. Everyone's different, even in the one generation and their parents have different opinions - just because one 15 year old's dad doesn't "mind" cleaning his room doesn't mean other dads also don't "mind"!

Actually I didn't learn anything in home ec, it was pointless. I learnt to cook from my parents. My mum taught me how to make great scones, lasagne and pumpkin soup and my dad taught me how to cook the perfect camp oven roast! I think that the main issue is probably that kids are now groing up in a world where they hardly have to associate with real people anymore. I am glad I have a great relationship with me parents, I still 'hang out' with them, they arent at all daggy parents which does help though Many of my friends tell me about their 200 friends on facebook, etc. though and I think, gosh I wonder how many of those people you realy know though... I'm much happier with my few really good close friends and my family and I get much more enjoyment out of spending time with peple that I share real interests with. I think things like facebook devalue real reationships... Hmm, I'm getting off the point now but it's already written so I'll post it anyway

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by melbournebudgies

I think the X Y thing is getting way off topic

:offtopic:

 

Unless you want to talk genetics and X Y chromosome of budgies!

 

+ = :redalbino:

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by throwback

I agree throwback.

No one can dictate which generation is better as they're all different, that's the bottom line.

Back to BUDGIES people!

The problem is stereotyping...not all generation yes are bad/ignorant/etc etc. I would say most young people are ignorant of the "real world"...but that isn't something unique to generation y, everything that is "young" is ignorant to an extent and if you don't learn quickly you might not survive (in terms of other animals, not just humans). And there are going to be people (like you) who are a little ahead of the rest.

What I wonder though is whether our generation is staying emotionally young until later though. In the past young people had more responsibilities and were babied less than they are now. I have worked as a 'nanny' for teenage kids that didn't even know how to grill cheese on toast!

True, I have a uni friend who can't cook canned soup or anything else for that matter. But I think its because our generation hasn't been taught. The only reason I know how to cook is because my high school made it compulsory to do Home Ed in Year 8 and 9. Is it gen y's fault if they are babied or should their parents have taught them this stuff? It may well be because society has changed from the "traditional" ways 50 or more years ago where (quote my dad) "the only place that was open on a Sunday was church", Sunday roasts etc etc. To now where everything is commercialized (sorry for the spelling) and both women and men are "expected" to work full time and have kids as well. People think they need wide screen TVs. You get the picture. Actually, on the topic of babying...my parents told me throughout my childhood to never grow up. My dad even got my brother to promise (when he was 7) that he'll never grow up! Wasn't it about a hundred years ago that children went straight from childhood to adulthood?

"I don't want to be told what to do - Ill do what I want to do " Generation Y , I rest my case.!!

Well, no actually because you said:"no one can think for themselves anymore they have to be told what they can and cant do , no one is responsible for anything , its always someone else's fault"Which certainly isn't "I don't want to be told what to do -I'll do what I want to do". :redalbino: Of course, when you take it out of context it does sound like something a hoon might say. What I really meant was that I don't want to be spoon-fed; let me make my own decisions...which is what people need to do: you can not learn if you don't make the mistakes of which to learn from.

WOW! okay? Cooking:- Gen Y hasn't been taught!? Yet year 8 and 9 you have Home Ed, which I think all schools have now.Yes life is a lot more commercial! Church and the pub if I remember rightly was open Sundays.Your Dad not wanting you to grow up was probably him not wanting to get older himself.Seeing your kids grow up hits Dads pretty hard! and is a wake up call to there own mortality.Something that has crossed my mind lately.Yes I do get the picture on my 153cm flat-screen! Goodluck to you Caheao I sincerely wish you well! And fixed your spelling mistakes.

Well, I went to a private school so I'm not sure what the majority of schools are like. And just because they are "taught" doesn't mean they were actually taught (ie. they weren't listening in which case we need better Home Ec teachers to get their attention)! Teenaged boys are like that anyway (just to sterotype some more)!You're exactly right about my dad; and my mum's currently freaking out that her "little baby" (ie. me) is turning 19 on Tues. I keep telling my mum that she could live for another 30-40 years so there's no need to panic. I'm moderately tech-free: no TV (personal), no working CD player (except in my car which I don't use), no ipod/mp3 player. Actually, I'm rather jealous of my parent's generation (baby boomers) because they don't have to worry about the "uncertain future ahead of us" (though I suppose in the 60s/70s the future was pretty uncertain). And they had the best music . When is petrol going to run out again?As long as I can have my cat and my budgies, I'll be happy.PS. Thanks for fixing my spelling mistakes, its too late (at night) for thinking :offtopic: .

Actually I didn't learn anything in home ec, it was pointless. I learnt to cook from my parents. My mum taught me how to make great scones, lasagne and pumpkin soup and my dad taught me how to cook the perfect camp oven roast! I think that the main issue is probably that kids are now groing up in a world where they hardly have to associate with real people anymore. I am glad I have a great relationship with me parents, I still 'hang out' with them, they arent at all daggy parents which does help though Many of my friends tell me about their 200 friends on facebook, etc. though and I think, gosh I wonder how many of those people you realy know though... I'm much happier with my few really good close friends and my family and I get much more enjoyment out of spending time with peple that I share real interests with. I think things like facebook devalue real reationships... Hmm, I'm getting off the point now but it's already written so I'll post it anyway

Um...*sheepish look*...i've been having lunch and going to the movies with my Mum since I was about 12 whenever I didn't have school...but I'm one of those weird teenagers, who actually likes their parents. (and shock, horror - being around them)"No one can dictate which generation is better as they're all different, that's the bottom line."So true!X Y chromosomes - I love genetics! (though isn't it techniquely WZ for birds??)

 

 

 

Back to pet shops! (and budgie chromosomes)Pet shops do have the capacity to "do the right thing", but there are too many people out there who don't realise that buying an animal from a pet shop isn't always best.What if you had a system where pet shops can earn the right to sell pets? Or would that require too much policing?

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by Caheao

I think licensing is never likely to work, but what about a information package about pet ownership that pet shops must give out when you purchase your pet. Detailing the reasons for desexing, vaccinations, etc and some of the common misconceptions. At the moment they are under no obligation to give you anything other than the pet and any paperwork pertaining to things they have had done, such as vaccination or chipping details. I also thought a scheme whereby the desexing cost is included in the sale price with a gift certificate that can be used at any vet clinic and the vet can cash in the certificate with the place of purchase.

I think licensing is never likely to work, but what about a information package about pet ownership that pet shops must give out when you purchase your pet. Detailing the reasons for desexing, vaccinations, etc and some of the common misconceptions. At the moment they are under no obligation to give you anything other than the pet and any paperwork pertaining to things they have had done, such as vaccination or chipping details. I also thought a scheme whereby the desexing cost is included in the sale price with a gift certificate that can be used at any vet clinic and the vet can cash in the certificate with the place of purchase.

 

 

Problem is, a lot of people will take the information package but never read it. Maybe it isn't really so much up to the pet shops - they can't help it if the "general public" are ignorant of the proper ways to look after pets: even if the staff at the pet shop are knowledgable doesn't mean customers are going to listen to them. It would work to improve the quaility of the pet shops but people will look after their pets how they want to.

 

Maybe making it compulsory for staff to do some sort of animal handling/husbandry course may improve things a bit. It would at least make the staff more (and consistantly so) knowledgable so they are able to give the right advice.

Many knowingly give the wrong advise though, in the interests of making a sale. I have worked in a number of pet shops, some good some not so good and the things I have heard would make most knowledgable pet owners shake thier heads in disgust.

Many knowingly give the wrong advise though, in the interests of making a sale. I have worked in a number of pet shops, some good some not so good and the things I have heard would make most knowledgable pet owners shake thier heads in disgust.

 

Yeah, thats very true but there isn't a simple solution. Good pet shops should be allowed to sell animals but bad pets shops shouldn't. If pet shops were banned from selling animals, then who would? What would be stopping "puppy mills" selling direct to the public?

I think the main issue we have with pet shops is the massive overpopulation with backyard bred critters with the sole purpose of making a quick buck. I think compulsory desexing would stamp out a lot of that. Down on the mornington peninsula there is actually a huge campaign to encourage people to desex their pets by six months of age. If people were forced to pay upfront for their desexing when they purchased their pet then there would be far more animals getting desexed. Desexing is not cheap at anywhere between $150-200 and many pets have their desexing put off until the last minute as a result because their owners did't factor in that cost when they bought the animal. I know that if I had already paid for something worth that much money I'd want to get my money back on it and send my animal for it's snip!

I think the main issue we have with pet shops is the massive overpopulation with backyard bred critters with the sole purpose of making a quick buck. I think compulsory desexing would stamp out a lot of that. Down on the mornington peninsula there is actually a huge campaign to encourage people to desex their pets by six months of age. If people were forced to pay upfront for their desexing when they purchased their pet then there would be far more animals getting desexed. Desexing is not cheap at anywhere between $150-200 and many pets have their desexing put off until the last minute as a result because their owners did't factor in that cost when they bought the animal. I know that if I had already paid for something worth that much money I'd want to get my money back on it and send my animal for it's snip!

 

Yeah, thats one of the many reasons I'm "poor" (relatively of course) because of getting my little kitten desexed. Having to pay up front may also discourage people from buying a pet (or even another pet) in the first place. It may help with discouraging impulse buys. If a pet shop puppy or kitten is priced at $150 but you have to pay $350 to cover desexing as well then you may reconsider or even buy one already desexed from a reputable breeder for the same/similar price.

That is why I like my local pet shop. All their kittens and Dogs are de sexed. They do not sell breeding stock but have breeders that they can refer people to. It's one of the reasons their animals as so expensive. One lady told me how she was horrified that a kitten cost just over $200 from this store but the Kitten is desexed and microchipped so really your just paying them back. This is compared to other places that sell kittens for $35.... can anyone say impluse buy?

That is why I like my local pet shop. All their kittens and Dogs are de sexed. They do not sell breeding stock but have breeders that they can refer people to. It's one of the reasons their animals as so expensive. One lady told me how she was horrified that a kitten cost just over $200 from this store but the Kitten is desexed and microchipped so really your just paying them back. This is compared to other places that sell kittens for $35.... can anyone say impluse buy?

 

I have never seen a desexed animal in SA pet shops before (but i have not been looking either) It's a very good idea and I hope it catches on more The added cost to the the pet is great and anything that reduced the impulse buy is a good thing by me :hap:

All pet owners need to realise from day one that pets need more than just basic food and water and is not something that can be done on impulse.

That is why I like my local pet shop. All their kittens and Dogs are de sexed. They do not sell breeding stock but have breeders that they can refer people to. It's one of the reasons their animals as so expensive. One lady told me how she was horrified that a kitten cost just over $200 from this store but the Kitten is desexed and microchipped so really your just paying them back. This is compared to other places that sell kittens for $35.... can anyone say impluse buy?

 

$200 isn't too bad. I got my "kitten" (she's actually an adult now) for free but when I got her desexed and microchipped it costed more than $200. The kittens and puppies from that store may also be healthier. Kittens that are $35 may not be healthy or well looked after and may cost you more in the long run. But people just see the initial cost without thinking about the long term costs of owning a pet. I've never actually been in a pet shop that sells desexed pets...