After much hunting I finally found an albino today at the bird sale. I want to breed creminos and have LOTS of different colours at my disposal as potential mates in the future. What did you put your albino with and what was the result? The albino is a girl, she is currently in breeding condition so I'll put her in the box on her own to quarantine and then I'll add my male once I'm ready.

All my creaminos have been accidental appearances in nests

I got a creamino from a green and yellow hen to a sky blue cock? dont ask me how that happened???

After much hunting I finally found an albino today at the bird sale. I want to breed creminos and have LOTS of different colours at my disposal as potential mates in the future. What did you put your albino with and what was the result? The albino is a girl, she is currently in breeding condition so I'll put her in the box on her own to quarantine and then I'll add my male once I'm ready.

 

If you have a yellowface blue squire that is also split for albino, if paired with your albino hen, you may produce some creamino offspring from that pairing.

 

If you do not have such a squire then you need to create one by mating your albino hen to a yellowface squire and retaining the male offspring that are yellowfaced blue and will be split for ino.

 

The yellowfaced blue/ ino squire can be mated with a normal blue or yellowfaced hen, and you may produce creamino hens from that pairing.

Edited April 27, 200817 yr by DrNat

I have half a dozen goldenface will they do?

I have half a dozen goldenface will they do?

Yes, your creamino will be a pale coloured yellow bird as the goldenface will wash through the body colour transforming white to yellow.

I got a creamino from a green and yellow hen to a sky blue cock? dont ask me how that happened???

The creamino produced was a hen yes?The skyblue squire bird would be split ino, and either he was a double factor yellow face masquerading as a white faced bird, or more likely, your green and yellow hen was either carrying the yellow face gene (which is only expressed visibly in a blue bird - otherwise it just looks like a normal green bird with a yellowface) or was a goldenface that looked like a green because the gold washed through the body colour.

One of my goldenface is type one, he has a nice definition between his face and a bright blue body(he carries violet also), would he be the best bet to try and limit the amount of wash out?

One of my goldenface is type one, he has a nice definition between his face and a bright blue body(he carries violet also), would he be the best bet to try and limit the amount of wash out?

 

Sounds like it.

He'll only do if he's split ino... if he's not you'll only get split ino cocks. a hen on her own can not produce visual ino gene. Only split.

I think I will breed her to the GF male, then hold onto the split babies and see what they turn out to hopefully get a nice one to breed in the future.

I think I will breed her to the GF male, then hold onto the split babies and see what they turn out to hopefully get a nice one to breed in the future.

Only the males produced from pairing your albino hen with the GF cock will be splits for ino, (hens can not be split ino - sex linked - they either are or are not) and of those males the goldenfaces will be most useful for breeding creaminos.

 

Then when you use GF/ino male with normal hens, they are capable of producing creamino hens.

(If you put GF/ino males back to albino hen, you may produce both creamino squires and hens.)

 

Alternatively, a normal blue male/ino put to a YF or GF hen may also produce creamino hens.

 

Good luck, have fun.

Can I use lutinos in this somehow? I have a lutino male and a female so I had thought a GF split lutino to an albino. I only have the one albino so if I use her in the first generation I would then have to line breed as I don't have a second albino to use.

only by accident, yf blue to a mauve.

i've had an albino hen to a yf blue but didnt get any creaminos so now im trying with a different yf boy

Your lutino cock to a yf hen could work, but only if he is split blue.

Timbo, you won't get ino's from a hen alone, the cock has to atleast be split.

Can I use lutinos in this somehow? I have a lutino male and a female so I had thought a GF split lutino to an albino. I only have the one albino so if I use her in the first generation I would then have to line breed as I don't have a second albino to use.

 

You may have difficulty distinguishing whether your GF/lutino is actually a GF because it will look the same as its normal green siblings.

 

You could create an albino hen from your lutino line to use later, to do this pair your lutino male to a normal blue or even a yellowface (or goldenface) blue hen and hope for some albino hen offspring which would be ideal (if your lutino is split blue). (You might even get some creaminos if you use a yellowface blue hen).

 

However, chances are that you will produce predominantly lutino/blue hens and normal green/ino&blue cocks (but at least you will know they are split blue). You could use the above hens to pair with your GF/ino splits from the other pair, and yes you may still get creaminos, but putting green into the mix complicates the situation and will produce green "wastage" if your aim is produce creaminos. You could use the above cocks to pair with a yellowface hen, and produce some creamino hens, but again there will be other green wastage.

 

You could use your lutino hen, breed with a blue squire and produce most probably normal green male offspring that are split ino and split blue, (hens would be wastage unless squire split ino) then put those splits to a blue hen to produce some albinos. But again you will get green wastage so not ideal.

(If your lutino hen is split blue, and your blue squire is split ino - you might be lucky enough to produce an albino hen in the first round).

 

What you are aiming to produce is a creamino - a combination of three different varieties in one bird:

It must inherit:

a yellowface or goldenface gene from one of its parents, plus

two blue genes - one from each parent, plus

sexlinked ino gene - one from father if it's a hen, or two copies - one from each parent if it's a male.

 

So yes, your lutino (green) birds can be used but they will create green wastage because you want to achieve blue based birds.

DrNat that is impressive, you've obviously done some homework on genetics... your knowledge is amazing. thanks for sharing.

My one & only Creamino was a total surprise. I paired up an Opaline Light Green cock with a Dominant Pied Grey Green hen.

 

From this result I learnt that the cock was split Blue & Lutino & the hen was masking Yellow Face & split for BLue. I got two Lutinos & the Creamino apart from the normal expectations.

Edited April 27, 200817 yr by Norm

Thank you JimmyBanks. Though every now and then I get something interesting like a normal hen out of an opaline squire in the second round of chicks which is difficult to explain...

If it was the first round, I would not think so much of it because I fly my birds all together, but second round... hmm ... maybe the opaline squire has somatic opaline mutation or the opaline gene spontaneously reverted to normal in the gamete for that particular hen offspring... I don't know... weird... damn thing bites really hard too.

You sure it's a hen? Maybe it's a male with a very pale cere....has it had a successful clutch yet?

You sure it's a hen? Maybe it's a male with a very pale cere....has it had a successful clutch yet?

 

Well it is only four weeks old but I'm pretty sure it is a hen because it is a normal cinnamon, and it's mother is a normal (no cinnamon or opaline), and there is that whole biting thing.

Very strange... time will tell I guess

Very strange... time will tell I guess

 

If it does turn out to be a male, then the cinnamon needs explaining because mum is a normal (no opaline or cinnamon). Hmm... rock or hard place...

sounds like a definate hen to me