My Budgies have all decided its a good time to mate so I have heaps of pairs getting cosy and at least 5 laying (one not far off) - really interested in what I will likely get with these pairings, but I'm confusing myself with the combinations (I have never had so many hens go at once )

 

Pair one - dominant pied hen(green) and sky blue spangle cock.

 

Pair two - same as above but darker.

 

Pair three - normal green hen X light grey opaline cock.

 

Pair four - cinnamon fallow (yellow) hen X cobalt violet opaline cock.

 

Pair five - light grey hen X lutino cock.

 

Pair six - normal green hen X dilute spangle (green) cock.

 

 

 

Thanks to anyone who can help the colour calculators are doing my head in!

My Budgies have all decided its a good time to mate :hap: so I have heaps of pairs getting cosy and at least 5 laying (one not far off) - really interested in what I will likely get with these pairings, but I'm confusing myself with the combinations (I have never had so many hens go at once )

 

Pair one - dominant pied hen(green) and sky blue spangle cock.

25% spangle dominant

25% spangle

25% normal green or blue if split

25% dominant

you will only get blues if the hen is split to green

I assume no dark factors so all will be light green or blue (if split)

 

Pair two - same as above but darker. same as above but darker shades of green or blue (if split to blue)

 

Pair three - normal green hen X light grey opaline cock.

25% grey green

25% grey

25% normal green or blue if spl

25% chance of blue normal IF split if not then it would be green

all females would be opalines

 

Pair four - cinnamon fallow (yellow) hen X cobalt violet opaline cock.

you would only get fallows if the male is split to fallow

males will be split to cinnamon

you will only get cinnamons if the male is split to cin and the females would be cin. only

all greens unless the male is split to blue then you have a 25% chance

50% chance of off spring that will get the violet gene and 50% that won't unless it is a double factor violet and they will then all get the violet gene.

 

Pair five - light grey hen X lutino cock.

all birds will be green based unless the cock is split to blue

all females will be lutino because of the dad

 

Pair six - normal green hen X dilute spangle (green) cock.

all babies will be green unless both birds are split for the blue gene

you will only have dilute babies if the hen is split to dilute

50% normals

50% spangles

 

Thanks to anyone who can help the colour calculators are doing my head in!

 

these are the outcomes that I have done in my head someone may have it more precise because they used the calcuator. Remember there are always surprises which are nice in the nest because both birds could be carrying the same recessive gene and you will get that surprise or the cock could be carrying a sex-linked gene and give it to his female off spring that you may not know about too. Good Luck...Elly

 

 

I totally understand the getting confused bit. Genetics gives me a headache. Good luck with it all. I'm sure they'll all look great.

My Budgies have all decided its a good time to mate :hap: so I have heaps of pairs getting cosy and at least 5 laying (one not far off) - really interested in what I will likely get with these pairings, but I'm confusing myself with the combinations (I have never had so many hens go at once )

 

Short answer is - you will get what you get.

 

Pair one - dominant pied hen(green) and sky blue spangle cock.

 

Pair two - same as above but darker.

 

Normals, Pieds, Spangles and Spangled-Pieds in assorted shades of green and blue if hen is split for blue, if cock is split for sex-linked may get hens with sex-linked variations of the above varieties (such as opaline, cinnamon, ino and texas clearbody). Recessive varieties can make unexpected appearance if both birds are carrying recessive genes eg fallow etc.

 

Pair three - normal green hen X light grey opaline cock.

 

All hens expected to be opaline, cocks will be normal, either could be various shades of green, grey or greygreen, and blues are possible if both birds are split for blue. Other sex-linked varieties such as cinnamon, ino and texas clearbody may show up in hens if cock bird is split for them). Recessive varieties can make unexpected appearance if both birds are carrying recessive genes eg fallow etc.

 

Pair four - cinnamon fallow (yellow) hen X cobalt violet opaline cock.

 

Normal cocks, all hens expected opaline, cocks may be cinnamon if cock bird is split cinnamon, as usual hens may have variations of sex-linked varieties if the cock is split for them, all offspring will be split for fallow (unless cock is carrying fallow gene recessively - then may get fallows), colours could be various shades of green and blue (if hen is split blue) including various violets depending on who has what - this pairing should produce some very pretty birds especially if the cock is split cinnamon and fallow - you may end up producing a cinnamon opaline violet fallow hen which will look rather like a pink budgie which would be interesting.

 

Pair five - light grey hen X lutino cock.

 

lutino hens, albino hens if cock is split blue, normal green, grey and greygreen cocks, normal blue cocks if hen and cock are both split blue, the ino gene can mask other sex linked varieties from expression in hens, but if the cock is split lacewing or cinnamon lacewing hens may be produced. And, as usual if both are carrying the same recessive variety it may be expressed in offspring.

 

Pair six - normal green hen X dilute spangle (green) cock.

 

normal and spangle hens and cocks, green and blue shades possible if both birds split for blue, offspring will be split for dilute (unless hen is split for dilute - then some dilute normal or spangle offspring may result), and as usual, sex-linked varieties of hens possible if cock is split for any sex linked varieties, and other recessive varieties may be expressed if both are carrying same recessive genes.

 

Thanks to anyone who can help the colour calculators are doing my head in!

 

As I said, short answer is: you will get what you get. What do you want to breed?

I agree with DrNat.

 

We look to see what we need to get what we want. eg I want good normal hens and good Spangle Hens. So I am going to pair a Spangle / Opaline cock to an Spangle Opaline Hen.

 

Out come will be Normal Cocks, Opaline Cocks, Opaline Hens and Normal Hens. The normals will be both Normal and Spangle.

 

What do you want?

Ultimately what I want is more fallows, spangles and some decent normals

 

I guess I can be patient and wait and see what I get.... its a bit like christmas time though, and wanting to shake and feel the presents to guess what it is (not that I'm going to shake these presents lol!)

Spangles are easier to produce as it’s a Dominant colour so if you pair a Spangle of either sex with any other bird you will get something like 50% Spangles.

 

Improved Normals is a matter of selection of your better Normal when pairing.

 

With Fallow, seeing the mutation is Recessive both birds must have the gene to produce Fallow chicks. At the moment you only seem to have one Fallow hen, she will produce split Fallow chicks, if these are mated with another either split Fallow or Fallow bird then you will get more Fallow chicks. It’s probably not a good idea to mate her with her own chicks or mate some of the chicks together, as if your birds have any faults of any kind this will concentrate them, better to buy an unrelated bird [Fallow]to either mate to your Fallow hen or some of her chicks that you produce.

Ultimately what I want is more fallows, spangles and some decent normals

 

I guess I can be patient and wait and see what I get.... its a bit like christmas time though, and wanting to shake and feel the presents to guess what it is (not that I'm going to shake these presents lol!)

 

 

The best pairing to produce spangles appears to be Spangle to Spangle. The expected outcomes according to the punnet square of Mendelian genetics are 25% normal 50% spangle 25% double factor spangle. But the reality of it is that it appears to result in a higher percentage of spangles than expected. (Maybe some of the double factors have hidden genetic faults that don't allow them to make it past the egg stage???)

 

For your fallows if you only have the one hen and you don't want to go out and spend more on another fallow the good news is you don't need to. Put her to a different cock bird for the next round and then mate the half-cousin offspring which will all be split for fallow. (Could also put her to yet another cock bird for a third round creating another different gene pool of half-cousins). Take the best fallow offspring of the cousins and pair them each to birds of completely different lines to their grandparents (so as to avoid too close inbreeding and risk of genetic faults). This will produce more split-fallows which you can again pair the cousins back together for more fallows. Your family of fallows can all originate from the one great grandmother fallow, the outcrossing is splitting with normals from different families (or any other line of bird you want to mix into your fallows).

 

Normals I can't help you with, there is lots of weird stuff in my aviary and not too many "normals".

A lot of these posts are like asking what are next weeks Lotto numbers!

We all know we will get numbers but what numbers in what order?

I like to think of it as more like predicting the weather throwback; I for one wouldnt go driving in a convertable with the top down if there was a 90%chance of rain - just as I'd like to be prepared as to what budgies could be produced with what matings, space is limited here so if I can get an idea of what these pairings will produce then I can look further to the future of my flock.

 

Another colour I would like to produce more of are greys, but grey being a gene I think I m on track with the pairings there.

 

Actually in regards to the fallow, I have more than just the one fallow hen and a few of my birds should be split to fallow, so there will not be any need to put half sibling over half sibling there to produce further fallows - I'm trying my hardest to further my gene pool and not have too many related birds or pairings

I like to think of it as more like predicting the weather throwback; I for one wouldnt go driving in a convertable with the top down if there was a 90%chance of rain - just as I'd like to be prepared as to what budgies could be produced with what matings, space is limited here so if I can get an idea of what these pairings will produce then I can look further to the future of my flock.

 

Another colour I would like to produce more of are greys, but grey being a gene I think I m on track with the pairings there.

 

Actually in regards to the fallow, I have more than just the one fallow hen and a few of my birds should be split to fallow, so there will not be any need to put half sibling over half sibling there to produce further fallows - I'm trying my hardest to further my gene pool and not have too many related birds or pairings

 

Exactly the reason I wouldn't own a convertible, I'd get it wrong! I can hear the boss now " didn't expect that did you!" While the convertible we are sitting in turns into a bath!

 

I get enough of that now " I thought you said that bird was split blue"!! were are the blue babies!

My response :mellow: ..

 

But really how boring would it be if every pairing was 100% predictable!

My Budgies have all decided its a good time to mate so I have heaps of pairs getting cosy and at least 5 laying (one not far off) - really interested in what I will likely get with these pairings, but I'm confusing myself with the combinations (I have never had so many hens go at once )

 

Pair one - dominant pied hen(green) and sky blue spangle cock.

 

Pair two - same as above but darker.

 

Pair three - normal green hen X light grey opaline cock.

 

Pair four - cinnamon fallow (yellow) hen X cobalt violet opaline cock.

 

Pair five - light grey hen X lutino cock.

Pair six - normal green hen X dilute spangle (green) cock.

 

 

 

Thanks to anyone who can help the colour calculators are doing my head in!

 

Just following up on these birds and their babies, of the six pairs, three have chicks, one is sitting on 5 eggs and the other 2 pairs didnt eventuate (lack of breeding cage space)

 

Pair two have two live babies - who are just starting to feather up, one is a green bird the other blue neither are pied.

 

Pair five(grey hen, lutino cock) have four live babies so far and mum is sitting on another 2 eggs from the clutch, due to hatch tomorrow and saturday, baby 1 ino, baby 2 non red eye, baby3 ino, baby 4 another non red eye. cant wait to see these ones feather up!

 

Pair six - one baby from a total of 6 eggs he is stunning, a dilute cinnamon opaline in a pale pale green.

 

So, I didnt get any fallows this time, or spangles but hopefullythe normals are good ones

Good stuff. Any photos?????