As a total sucker for yellow faced varieties can anyone tell me what parents you need to get this? I'm also trying to work out how the albino and lutino genes are related to each other, what are the reslts if you breed an albino with a lutino. I have tried searching for this info but I'm running out of places to look so if anyone can point me to a good source of info or answer my questions that would be great. Most of the breeding charts I have found talk about relating each colour to same colour/normal or split not to other totally different varieties.

okay because both the Lutino and Albino are a SEX LNKED GENES THEY ARE DOMINATE

1 of those genes then becomes Reccessive .....

okay so I would get a mix of Albino and Lutino babies then.

Melbourne I'll put it in terms I understand ..Lutino is a Yellow bird right But it is Really a GREEN bird that has had it's top coat of paint washed off ( so to speak)Albine is a White Bird - Really a BLUE that too has had it's final coat of paint washed off .... So we are left with UNDERCOAT BUDGIES .... ( yes i am really blonde and this was the only way i could understand the begining of genectic lol ) ......Now you have 2 dominate genes ...1. L = Lutino2. A= Albino They are both stuborn and pig headed so the baby can not be both so 1 gene has to give making it Recssive ...Hope this helps ... If not I have confused the *** out of eveyone

okay so I would get a mix of Albino and Lutino babies then.

If you are wanting Cremino's Now I was only told this last night ... As my pair my throw them tooI have an Albino Male and a Golden face Hen . chances are Cremino's and Albninos ....Not 100% sure what you will get if you put Albino to Lutino's though somone will answer that and correct me soo ... I hope

Neat, the ino and lutino are not dominant genes if you want to think about dominance the green base bird (lutino) is dominant over the blue series bird (ino). So if you bred a lutino that is not split to blue you would only have lutino (green base babies). I hope that is clear.

 

The lutino gene & ino genes are both sex-linked which means they work exactly like the other sex linked genes like opaline (example) if you understand how that works you understand the ino/lutino gene works in term of hens and cocks. The cock needs 2 genes and the hen only 1 to express it visually.

 

Now if you want creamino you should only need a yellow face bird because yellow face is a dominant factor so if you bred a yellow face male split to ino or lutino you should get females. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color

 

Does that make sense?

Edited April 16, 200817 yr by Elly

Do you get any normals (as in patterned) from that pairing or does the albino wash the colour out of all the babies and then some get the goldenface? Also is there an issue hree of which gender each parent is with regard to sex lankages, etc.?I imagine though that if you bred it to a lutino the yellowface woud be there but you wouldn't see it. You could however then use those babies in crossings to an albino to get creminos and lutinos....I think

Do you get any normals (as in patterned) from that pairing or does the albino wash the colour out of all the babies and then some get the goldenface? Also is there an issue hree of which gender each parent is with regard to sex lankages, etc.?

 

If you have 2 lutino or 2 ino parents all will be 100%

 

You can get lutino or ino's from a cock that is split and all the babies would be females, so you can have 2 normals together and get ino/lutino babies. If it is normal green you will get lutinos if a normal blue you will get ino's. And the clutch of babies could be mixed that is what many call a nice surprise in the nest.

 

If you bred a lutino male and a normal female you are going to have 100% female lutinos but all the males will be normals because the hen gives the gene to her males.

 

Make sense?

 

The ino/lutino gene don't wash out the body they simply erase the blue from the green bird hence leaving yellow or the blue from the white bird hence leaving white. Washing out is used in terms of dilutation this is not a dilutation gene.

 

Lutino cocks produce female lutino

Albino cocks produce female ino's

Lutino or Albino female will give 1 gene to their male offspring making them SPLIT BUT if the dad is split or is also a ino/albino and the male gets 2 genes then he will be a visual.

 

Make sense?

Neat, the ino and lutino are not dominant genes if you want to think about dominance the green base bird (lutino) is dominant over the blue series bird (ino). So if you bred a lutino that is not split to blue you would only have lutino (green base babies). I hope that is clear.

 

The lutino gene & ino genes are both sex-linked which means they work exactly like the other sex linked genes like opaline (example) if you understand how that works you understand the ino/lutino gene works in term of hens and cocks. The cock needs 2 genes and the hen only 1 to express it visually.

 

Now if you want creamino you should only need a yellow face bird because yellow face is a dominant factor so if you bred a yellow face male split to ino or lutino you should get females. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color

 

Does that make sense?

 

ELLY INO ARE SEX LINKED MAKING THEM DOMINATE

Sex-Linked is not a dominante gene like green or blue

For example you can have an Lutino Spangle the sex-link gene was NOT dominante over the regular gene.

 

Ino = blue bird with no blue

Lutino - yellow bird with no green

 

Green is dominant over Blue so when you are talking about the 2 genes together Lutino is Dominant over Ino ONLY.

Edited April 16, 200817 yr by Elly

Sex linked genes aren't dominant they are just always going to show up in the female budgie.

 

I understand what you are saying Elly. I have found one bloke who talks about using a lutino split for albino to a lutino hen to produce creminos, don't know what other genetics were going on ther though.

that would only work if one of the birds was carrying the yellow face gene (1 or 2)

remember an ino could be a type 1 yellow face double factor and have a white face and would only be proven through genetics and a lutino could be carrying the yellow face gene and we can't see it because he is already yellow (which i have read different articles on if the green series carry the YF gene or not).

When two birds with different sex-linked characters are mated, one will act as if it were a non sex-linked bird ...

 

 

So elly you are saying that the genes go in a dominate order :Greens (All Forms)

Dominant Pieds

Greys

Clear-Flights

Violets

Spangles

Yellow Faces (to the blue series)

Crests

..

 

 

This has all go me confused from everthing that I have benn taught

When two birds with different sex-linked characters are mated, one will act as if it were a non sex-linked bird ...

 

 

So elly you are saying that the genes go in a dominate order :Greens (All Forms)

Dominant Pieds

Greys

Clear-Flights

Violets

Spangles

Yellow Faces (to the blue series)

Crests

..

 

 

This has all go me confused from everthing that I have benn taught

 

Genes are recessive, dominant or they can be co-dominante, or sex-linked.

 

Each gene needs to be take separate of the other gene some genes like all the dilutation genes reside on the same allele so you can't have a greywing split to dilute it is one or the other but when they don't lay on the same allele they can be mixed up into the genetic pool and that is where surprises come from.

 

So when I talk about genes I talk first about the color green or blue & then next I take each mutation separately it helps to understand because they each do something different.

 

Example: You can have a Green Spangle paired to a Blue Normal, if the Green spangle is split for blue you can get Blue Spangles do you see the Green and the Spangle gene are not together now.

 

Gray, Violet are added factor and not a dominante or recessive genes they are color added factors. Example adding gray to a green bird will create a green grey bird or to a blue bird which creates a gray bird.

 

Does that make sense? At least that is how I am able to figure out things in terms of expections, I don't use the calculator, I don't have the % down to the tee but what I like about it is I know how and why it works. I learned my genetic knowledge from many on this site.

Wow .... Thanks ELLY .... Making sense ....

your welcome...I was reading here on another site and I can see where you come up with the sex-link gene being recessive it say something like it is recessive to normal in a male bird but not a female bird but that to me is too confusing because recessive is recessive and dominante is dominante etc... but I hope I didn't confuse you more, like I said others on the forum here helped me in the beginning understand the why and I always asked so many questions. I am not an expert but I can handle the generalized stuff and understand it.

Neat Elly is right don’t get your terminology mixed up, you may have read somewhere that someone said about sex linked being Dominant.

 

But better to just keep the terminology clear.

 

 

 

You have DOMIANTS…Green & Yellow Over…Blues & Whites.

 

If a Green or Yellow is mated to a Blue or White & they are not split [carrying Blue] then all young will be either Green Or Yellow.

 

SEX LINKED: Lutino, Albino [the INOS]

 

Opaline…Cinnamon wing, Texas Clear body etc

 

The Dominant factors still applies, if say a Lutino is pure non split for Blue & is mated with an Albino, you will still get the Dominant colour Yellow [Lutino] unless it is split for Blue then you will get some of each. With sex linked hens they can only be either sex linked or non sex-linked [can’t be split for a sex linked mutation] cocks can be either split [one factor of sex linked] doesn’t show the colour or two factors…shows the colour.

 

RECESSIVE: Recessive Pied, Dilute,

 

You need both birds to either show this character or be split, before you can produce any chicks with a Recessive mutation. Still the Dominant factor still applies…Green Dominants Blue.

 

YELLOW FACE:

 

Green Dominates YF…YF Dominates White Faced Blue.

 

 

 

SO NO MATTER WHAT MUTATION IT IS… DOMINANT…SEX LINKED…RECESSIVE …YELLOW FACED…GREEN ALWAYS DOMINATES OVER BLUE.

 

So MB seeing that YF is Dominant you need to buy in a bird that is YF or have a Green bird that is Dominating it, but this is difficult to know, so best to buy in a YF.

 

Then if you want to breed a Creamino [Cream Ino… YF Blue Ino] as Elly has said you need at least one bird to carry the YF. Neat is right the best way to breed a Creamino is probably an Albion cock mated to a YF Blue hen, some of the hens they produce will have the chance of being YF Albinos [Creaminos]. I know you know most of this Neat, but just putting it out there for others to

Thanks Norm - for putting it straight to me .