Here are some closer pics of the male budgie in question ...hope this helps everyone

to decide what he is for certain.

 

 

 

 

 

And here are the frontal pics of the 'green' babies and a couple of the 2 blue babies

from the clutch:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anxious to see everyones decisions.

That’s a really great series of pictures you have there, good job.

 

My best guess of their genetic mutation still stands the same.

 

The cock bird is a Yellow Face2 Blue [Violet] the type 2 has the Green bleed through the body. Because he has that patch on his head he is either split Recessive Pied or in fact genetically a Dominant Pied. We had a discussion on here a few months ago & I think it was decided that a very small patch was a sign of Recessive & the larger patch [which your birds have] was Dominant. To be certain you could only prove it by more trial breeding with certain birds. I don’t know what others believe, but I think for a bird to be Dominant Pied, as it can’t be split for Dominant, it only has to have a small patch of Pied feathers to be genetically Dominant Pied.

 

Those “Green” young must also be YF2 Blues also, even though they look very Green, as Green is Dominant & you can’t get Green birds from two genetically Blue birds. The Blue Normal chick appears to be either Cobalt or Violet.

They look like green dominant pieds, and normal greens to me

Edited April 10, 200817 yr by **Liv**

I agree the babies look like normal greens but if it is 100% sure that these are the parents they must be of a blue series and golden face 2. Because there is no way you can get green from 2 blue series birds.

I agree the babies look like normal greens but if it is 100% sure that these are the parents they must be of a blue series and golden face 2. Because there is no way you can get green from 2 blue series birds.

 

 

100% absolutely these are the parents of all 5 babies

My dad had all the hen budgies together in one flight

and all the cocks together in a separate flight. Near

each other but no way for contact...I paired them and

these 2 are in their own breeding cage.

So still no positive id????

Genetics isn't my thing... but I've gotta say those pics are great! Like I said Genetics isn't my thing so I can't help, sorry!

Edited April 11, 200817 yr by JimmyBanks

I had a nestful of budgie babies from YF violet opaline dad and a GF violet normal mum. We eneded up with some budgies that looked green but the were violet greens....started out dark grey looking ( but considered mauve ) and once they moulted one or two turned green like yours there. No doubt it was a violet green knowing the parents and knowing what colour it began life as. I say your boy is a violet green

 

 

 

 

 

ARTICLE BY PETER BERGMAN ON VIOLETS

 

Green series Violets

 

Violet factor birds in the Green series have generally been regarded as an annoying by-product of Violet breeding rather than as potentially valuable stock birds for future pairings. It has only been in the last few years that I have taken an interest in Green series Violet factor birds myself.

 

The Violet Light Green is the Green series counterpart to the Violet Skyblue. If picking out Violet Skyblues is tricky then picking out the Violet Light Greens is even trickier. The variation in yellow ground colour from bird to bird is an additional variable that needs to be considered as one learns to recognise Violet Light Greens.

 

The darker better coloured Violet Light Greens generally look like Dark Greens but, as with Violet Skyblues, lack ribbing in the body feathers. They have tail feathers which resemble those of Light Greens. Dark Greens have navy-blue coloured tails like Cobalts. Violet Light Greens lack the dark blue colour in their flight feathers evident in flight feathers of Dark Greens.

 

Violet Light Greens also have a more satiny finish to their feathers than Dark Greens. One of the early names for the Dark Green was Satin Green. Could Satin Greens have been early Violet Light Greens? We will probably never know. If you are not sure whether a bird is a very good coloured Light Green or a poorly coloured Dark Green it is probably a Violet Light Green.

 

Violet Dark Greens are the Green series counterpart to the Violet Cobalt. They stand out from Dark Greens and are nearly halfway between Dark Greens and Olives in colour. I have not got around to breeding a DF Violet Light Green yet but based on the appearance of blue series birds they should look very much like Violet Dark Greens. I expect their feathers to have a more satiny finish.

 

Opaline Violet Light Greens are a bit paler than the Normals. Nest feather Opaline Violet Light Greens are sometimes hard to pick from Light Greens. Sometimes it is best to just wait until they go through their moult and darken up a bit before deciding what you have got. The darker Opaline Violet Light Greens have a sparkle in their feathers which make Opaline Dark Greens look quite dull by comparison. I would describe their colour as a bright emerald green. The higher melanin levels of the Violet factor birds makes the reflective qualities of the feathers more obvious to the eye. This effect should be even more conspicuous on Opaline DF Violet Light Greens.

 

Breeding a family of SF and DF Violet Light Greens and SF and DF Violet Skyblues in the same way some people breed Dark Greens, Olives, Cobalts, and Mauves has possibilities. I have never heard of anyone breeding Violet factor birds in quite this way. It is territory largely unexplored. The beauty of it is that the birds would still belong in the realm of Normals in Opalines and not unusual composities of several varieties.

 

The hobby has been caught up in the Light Green, Dark Green, Olive, Skyblue, Cobalt, Mauve, six colour mindset since the early days. The Violet factor produces a parallel series of six colours, Light Green, SF Violet Light Green, DF Violet Light Green, Skyblue, SF Violet Skyblue, DF Violet Skyblue. All we lack is convenient terminology to use when talking about these birds.

I agree with you karen, he isn't a goldface due to the fact it seems there is green under the wings. But one of them is carring the yellowface gene (most likey him)

Violet Green split recessive pie .Yellow Face Blue.

Violet Green split recessive pie .Yellow Face Blue.

Exactly

he is a yf2 blue as i had 1 that was green except for the blue patch between her legs

I don’t think he’s a Violet Green, as I have one Opaline Violet Green & it’s a beautiful Emerald Green. I paired it with an Opaline Violet Sky Blue & all young were Opaline Violet Greens. Some have Green all over their heads, where the Opaline is usually Yellow, right down to the cere, probably this may moult out, I must post some pictures soon.

 

To complicate the issue, I have seen birds on the net that they call Parblue…

 

PARtBlue…PARtGreen. Maybe he is that instead of just Violet Blue.

Norm PARBLUE is the technical term for yellowfacees, the gene only works PARtways.

 

The face that the wing shot seems to show green feathers makes me think he isn't yellowface as all yellowface birds keep the blue coloured feathers even if the green has bleed further down the body.

I agree with you karen, he isn't a goldface due to the fact it seems there is green under the wings. But one of them is carring the yellowface gene (most likey him)

 

So would a lutino hen be a good mate for him?

Closer picture of cock in question:

 

 

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/su...h/Pair4cock.jpg

Edited April 12, 200817 yr by Elly
pictures oversized

You could mate him with anything you like, if the Lutino is not split for Blue you most likely would get Green Normals, depending on what the Lutino is masking. I still think he is an YF2 Blue of some kind. Sounds like he would be a good bird to refer to Al-Nasser, for an expert opinion. If he is a YF it’s really best to mate them to Blue series bird otherwise the YF is masked by the Green being Dominant, but then it’s impossible to know which one carries the YF gene.

questions so what is this bird really?

why is he split for recessive pied? that spot is pretty big I thought it was determined a large spot is a dominant pied? The dad I believe does have the larger spot too.

questions so what is this bird really?

why is he split for recessive pied? that spot is pretty big I thought it was determined a large spot is a dominant pied? The dad I believe does have the larger spot too.

 

You can go here for more pics of him ...his hen and the clutch.

 

http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/su...ies%20Pair%204/

 

The clutch has all fledged successfully...keep an abundant supply of different

foods for them so I have had no trouble getting them to try new foods. They are so cute and so very curious. Thanks to all the wonderful advice and information here I have successfullly fledged my first clutch. My Dad would be proud. Thankyou to everyone!! I hope we get a final decision on what he really is...I know he is a really pretty bird.

I think he is a green dom pied split to blue, as he does not have the blue under the wings. A true YF would have the blue under the wings. like this one..

 

Also has anyone sugested that mum may be double factor Yf which in fact is a white faced bird that is of couse if all the bubs were infact all YF.

the yellowface bub will be the key to which parent has the gene. If the baby turned out to be type 2 then it's from the father, if a type 1 then it's possible from the mother - more test breeding would be needed (to an other white faced blue)

 

and thanks for the wing shot lady.

your welcome nerwen.. Even my YF DF spangles have white under their wings because they are a white ground bird..