Posted March 4, 200817 yr He's not a mauve, too much bright blue and not a cobalt either (too much grey)... so what is he? a dusk maybe? the color in the photo is true to the naked eye, it's like blue with a layer of grey. Doesn't look like the normal mauves though..
March 4, 200817 yr Norm is the one that knows about dusk budgies so I couldn't comment on that. What I see to my novice eye is a Violet budgie like my Merlin.
March 4, 200817 yr Norm has only his first Blue Dusk, that has just left the nest, so sorry he’s not an expert, but it looks a little like them & like I said before Zeus looks similar, you never know Ravengypsy, you may have similar genetic material there. Maybe with time we will get more knowledge, I have more Dusks in the nest so will know more later, the Greens as I’ve stated before when young don’t look much different to Grey Greens, but they have the Blue cheek patches instead of Grey.
March 4, 200817 yr He's a very pretty colour I love the grey patches you can see over the blue - looks like shadows hehehe - very cute :hap:
March 4, 200817 yr Norm has only his first Blue Dusk, that has just left the nest, so sorry he’s not an expert, but it looks a little like them & like I said before Zeus looks similar, you never know Ravengypsy, you may have similar genetic material there. Maybe with time we will get more knowledge, I have more Dusks in the nest so will know more later, the Greens as I’ve stated before when young don’t look much different to Grey Greens, but they have the Blue cheek patches instead of Grey.Norm can you post a picture of the dusk pls ....Raven - How old is he? His colour may change when he goes thru his molts
March 4, 200817 yr Doing more investigating he could also have the slate added gene.Here is their explaination along with the link, so you can see the coloration. Slate is a color-adding factor similar to grey and violet. Slate produces a very dark bluish grey in white-based budgies. The darkness of the slate varies slightly according to the dark factor of the bird. Slate, like violet, can be present in a green (yellow-based) budgie, but only produces a darkening effect. True slate only appears on blue (white-based) budgies. This variety is extremely rare. http://www.budgieplace.com/c_slate.html Norm has only his first Blue Dusk, that has just left the nest, so sorry he's not an expert, but it looks a little like them & like I said before Zeus looks similar, you never know Ravengypsy, you may have similar genetic material there. Maybe with time we will get more knowledge, I have more Dusks in the nest so will know more later, the Greens as I've stated before when young don't look much different to Grey Greens, but they have the Blue cheek patches instead of Grey.Norm can you post a picture of the dusk pls ....Raven - How old is he? His colour may change when he goes thru his moltsI think if you look under mutations and do a search for dusk and Norm as the poster you will see his budgies since posted them in there .
March 5, 200817 yr Author He is 3 years old... I was debating between violet mauve, dusk or slate... but not sure as I don't know any of his pedigree. here are some other photos of him... http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...0_2684edit1.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra.../Picture028.jpg Edited March 5, 200817 yr by Ravengypsy
March 5, 200817 yr Reading on the mutation page that I use it says it is very difficult to see violet on a mauve budgie so taking that into account I would say he is not, I don't know enough about dusk budgies, so I am going to go with a violet that has 2 dark factors or a violet with the slate added factor. That is my theory
March 5, 200817 yr Author http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra.../Picture029.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...s3/000_2256.jpg I've seen mauves and it's something besides regular mauve... hrm... this one really stumps me what would a violet slate show?
March 5, 200817 yr http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra.../Picture029.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...s3/000_2256.jpg I've seen mauves and it's something besides regular mauve... hrm... this one really stumps me what would a violet slate show? I would suggest you send some pictures to Ghalib Al Nassar and see what he says mailto:ghalib@al-nasser.co.uk his site http://www.al-nasser.co.uk/
March 5, 200817 yr He's not a mauve, too much bright blue and not a cobalt either (too much grey)... so what is he? a dusk maybe? the color in the photo is true to the naked eye, it's like blue with a layer of grey. Doesn't look like the normal mauves though.. I think he is a violet cobalt. The violet factor is a modifier so you can get other colours through the plumage such as grey and different shades of blue. they used to call these birds muddy- looking. this is caused by crossing into olive, dark grey or slates. "> Interesting link that goes into the different mutations of the violet. I think the third blotchy mutation is relevant here.http://www.budgerigarassociation.com/baa_012.htm Edited March 5, 200817 yr by throwback
March 5, 200817 yr Your bird seems to have characteristics similar to the birds that they are calling Dusks here. What I have noticed on the adults is that the breast feathers have feather variations, some feathers are darker & some lighter, whereas most other colours have a constant colour.
March 5, 200817 yr Throwback, I like that conclusion too I was thinking that too but didn't know if he was maybe too dark. I would do what Kaz suggests and see what he says.
March 6, 200817 yr Author He's not a violet cobalt... I specialty breed sky violets and violet cobalts and he's definatly not either. There is alot of variation on the breast feathers, some look grey and others look bright blue.. it's really "odd" looking. I wish I knew the pedigree on this bird as it would make things easier but alas I don't as it wasn't banded by the breeder. I have a young hen that is a violet mauve (parents were both cobalt violets) which is almost similar in color to this guy but still not quite the same either. Her color is very uniform instead of the odd grey & blue variance this guys has.
March 6, 200817 yr Then in that case, I am going to stick with slate (Laughing out loud) as the added coloring factor at this point. I think maybe the only way you will know is to bred him with certain other mutations too see if you can pull out the genetics on this one. Whatever he is he is gorgeous, did you send the e-mail that Kaz suggested to for an answer?
March 6, 200817 yr Author yes I sent the email late last night, I'll let you all know the response I get. I was thinking of breeding him with a sky hen, unfortunatly I don't have any white faced sky hens at the moment. The only hens I have available for him would be the violet mauve (too young right now anyways) or a dilute rec pied sky hen (may be too old, she's unbanded). All my other hens are already breeding right now or paired up for show breeding. I may need to go buy a sky hen for him and test breed. Edited March 6, 200817 yr by Ravengypsy
March 7, 200817 yr Author took a new photo of him tonight to send to him and thought I'd post it here as well http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...1/IMG_3709a.jpg
March 7, 200817 yr On another note Ravengypsy.... I am a little concerned about the look of him. Not his colour but how frumpy he is looking. He doesnt look bright and healthy and seems like he has an underlying issue. Keep a close eye on him...he may need some special attention :hap:
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