okay,

 

I have been considering the new breeding pairs for this year. Last year alot of blue was added to the aviary. It is time for some more green. There are a lot of young birds in there, so I think the breeding options are reduced. Also I prefer the bigger birds, so I am not ovely keen on breeding smaller budgies to each other. This is what I am thinking.

 

Humphrey and Sherbert

This pair was tried before, but they always seem to be kissing and feeding, so hopefully this time there will be more success. Humphrye is a standard green and sherbert is a Green Clearwing. Does Clearwing kid of work like a spangle, or is it more like a cinnamon wing? Is it recessive? I know everyone should be green, but what are the %'s? Anyone know?

 

 

Sunshine with whom? I am thinking maybe Hugo or even Romeo. He proved to be a good Dad previously, and he is a blue carrying the cinnamon egen, so we might some suprises. They should all be Green/Yellow based birds right? The Lutino is a yellow based bird, but the Lutino gene removes all the other colouring right? What would I get if I did the following combinations?

 

Sunshine (Lutino) with Hugo (Dominant Cobalt Pied)

 

or

 

Sunshine (Lutino) with Romeo (Sky Blue carrying the cinnamon gene) - romeo is sitting at the top int he picture.

 

 

Might need to buy in a few males. We will see.

If your hen Sherbet, is in fact a Clearwing, without seeing the wing & back pattern it’s hard to tell. Clearwing is Recessive & unless the cock is split for it, you will get no Clearwing chicks. Without knowing the genetics of these bird, just on their actual colouring, you will probably only get Green Normal chick like Dad. All chicks will be split for Clearwing.

 

 

 

Sunshine & Hugo…if Sunshine is not split for Blue, all chicks will be Green, about 50% Pied. Sunshine is masking some Mutation, so what ever that is may influence their chicks & then there is any Recessives they may both be carrying & Sex linked colours Hugo may be split for.

 

 

 

Sunshine & Romeo…same as with Hugo…if Sunshine is not split for Blue all chicks will be Green. If Romeo is only split for Cinnamon [can’t tell from picture] when you say carrying I presume you mean split, they will have some Cinnamon hens, unless Sunshine is in fact masking Cinnamon, in that case you could get both sexes.

 

 

 

It’s very hard making predictions for birds just on their visible colour & mutation & even harder when one is either an Albion or Lutino.

Norm,

 

Yes, she is a Clearwing. Kaz and I went through it last night discussing it on MSN. Here is a few more pics to show it.

 

 

I am beginning to understand that whole genetics thing, so what you said about the young not being Clearwings but being split is what I thought. One of my main aims was to get more green birds in my aviary, so having all greens is not too upsetting.

 

As for Sunshine and hugo having hidden genes, that is what you need to find out. When you are starting out, unless you buy show birds with an extensive history, you really do not know what they are split to, so the only way you find out is to breed them, and go from there. Even then, you will never really know.

 

Romeo is split to Cinnamon and opaline. Here are 2 of the little girls from his previous clutch. One is a cinammon wing, and the other is an opaline cinnamon wing.

 

 

Ultimately, all I am looking for is an educated guess, and I appreciate you providing that.

Some times hidden genes can be fun anyway Dave, sometimes you get something you least expect. Like when I mated a Green Spangle with a Green Opaline, both of which I had bought & had no idea what they carried. I got Lutino’s, Blues & the biggest surprise was a hen Lacewing, which I really like, but so far I can’t get her to go down on eggs.

I paired an Albino girl with a grey/green swpangle cock. Actually they paired themselves, I just provided accomodation.

 

Anyway, they produced :

 

1 Yellow Faced Type II Mauve with normal wings

1 olive green spangle

1 dilute, yellow based pied, that looks like a creamino, save for a very small grey green patch on her rump, otherwise there are no other marks on her.

:budgiedance: cany see pics- just the clearwing hen.

Sounds like you both got a good mix of babies from those pairings- no doubt you were surprised