The two chicks I currently have are from what I think are a skyblue opaline pied cock and a yellow-face 2 pied hen. I was just wondering how the yellow face gene works and whether it would be possible to just get a type 1 yellow face from it?

Here are the parents, so you can correct me if I've got the mutations wrong:

 

hen

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4070.jpg

 

cock

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4065.jpg

 

thanks,isaac

As far as I know Yellowface 2 is dominant over Yellowface one. Others more experienced will be along to answer your question.

Kaz is correct, a type 2 bird will only give the type 2 gene to the offspring. They will look like a type 1 when young before the first moult when the bleed through starts to happen.

okay, that makes things a bit clearer then. Can you tell me what offspring could be expected from these two birds? Also, were my guesses at their mutations correct?

hang on.based on what you ahve said, the impossible has happened.

 

I have a yellow faced type II bird

and he bred with a skye blue cinnamon wing.

 

They produced offspring that were

Yellow faced blue type II that looked just like their dad

 

standard skye blues and a cobalt (RIP Mercury - he died suddenly last weekend)

 

and 1 yellow faced blue type 1.

 

 

The colour did not bleed through on this one.

 

So how is that possible?

Edited November 15, 200717 yr by dmcminn

okay, that makes things a bit clearer then. Can you tell me what offspring could be expected from these two birds? Also, were my guesses at their mutations correct?

Yes you got the mutations right. Seeing both birds are I think Dominant Pied all young will be Pied & Blue, you will get about 50% Yellow Face & 50% White Faced, you should also get some Opaline hens.

 

Dave...Has that chick had it's adult plumage yet? As the bleed doesn't come in until the first moult. I had a bird that I thought was a type 1, that I bred with a Blue hen, but all the young so far have looked like type 2…they say it's not a good idea to mix the two colours together when you are breeding.

Edited November 15, 200717 yr by Norm

Norm,

 

This clutch were born in June this year, so they are 5 months old. They have all had one moult, so I would think yes, they have their adults colours.

 

Dave

There are a few things that could be happening here.

 

1) The bub hasn't started to get any showing of the bleed yet each bird is different and sometimes the green shows up slowly.

 

2) the dad is in fact a type 1 SKY blue and the green tint you see is simply the green sheen that can appear in skyblues.

 

3) the Dad could be hiding the type 1 gene ( he has one for type 1 and one for type 2 and so he appears type 2) and he has given that hidden gene to the offspring.

 

What is the colour on the dad's wings and what is the colour on the older sister's wings?

The chicks are starting to get much bigger now and are feathering up well. However, as Norm said "Seeing both birds Dominant Pied all young will be Pied & Blue," it doesnt seem quite right.

 

From what I can tell, the oldest chick is pied:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4075.jpg

 

And the youngest just seems to be a normal blue:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4073.jpg

 

They're not the best pictures os I'll try and get some more tomorrow, but is it possible ot be getting a normal blue from this pairing?

The chicks are starting to get much bigger now and are feathering up well. However, as Norm said "Seeing both birds Dominant Pied all young will be Pied & Blue," it doesnt seem quite right.

 

From what I can tell, the oldest chick is pied:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4075.jpg

 

And the youngest just seems to be a normal blue:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4073.jpg

 

They're not the best pictures os I'll try and get some more tomorrow, but is it possible ot be getting a normal blue from this pairing?

A dominant pied blue and a blue normal . Cute

Edited November 19, 200717 yr by KAZ

Wow, thanks. There is always so much more to genetics...

 

Here is just a couple of new pics on the chicks. can anyone tell me how they've managed to produce a normal blue from what I'm presuming are two dominant pieds???

 

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4084.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4078.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/i...07/IMG_4079.jpg

Isaac, I checked up on Dominant Pieds…apparently there is Single Factor & Double Factor…yours must be SF as in that case they can get 25% Normals…like you say genetics is complicated…I have copied all that info from Nyos, as it’s pretty complicated & hard to take in, in one sitting…