Hi,

 

I bought a pretty little green and yellow girl from a hobby breeder some months ago. I`m currently a member of 4 budgie forums and I decided to post some pictures of her, as I had troubble figuring out what kind of mutation she was. Sadly noone else seemed to be quite sure either and it was suggested by several breeders that I waited until she`d had her first molt and then take some new pictures of her. I just posted to the other forums as well in the hopes that someone can figure out what she is. I`ve been told by two breeders, one here in Norway and one in Denmark, that she looks a lot like a Doubble Factor Danish Dominant. The only problem is that we don`t have this variaty in Norway. Also in order to breed a DF Danish Dominant both parents need to be Danish Dominant and her`s are not. Her father is said to be a light green spangle, her mother is australian pied cinnamon lighgreen. I clearly have some doubt about her parents as two lightgreen birds cannot produce an olivegreen baby. Her breeder has all of his birds breeding together in one large cage so another cock may very well have been involved. Would anyone please take a look at her and give me your opinions on what you think?!

I`m not sure how to insert pictures here so I`m attaching this link for you to have a look at her: http://www.undulatprat.no/viewtopic.php?t=8389&highlight=

Thanks a lot! I`m looking forward to hearing from you

Wow she is beautiful.

she sure is gorgeous funnily enough i have a hen almost exactly the same which people are unable to identify for me also here's some pics of her too so if any of you can help KBJ you're helping me also

KBJ…She’s a very nice bird, from that picture I could only guess she may be what we call Clearwing…a picture of her front [breast] could help, as I can see no sign of Pied from those pictures. What confuses things is that some mutations are called by different names in different countries. It’s true what you say, that two Light Green birds can’t produce an Olive.

 

 

 

Libby just looking at your birds pictures again, I see the red in the eyes, redish eyes like that can mean Recessive Pied, but I just had another though, maybe she could be a Fallow Pied.

Libby, your bird looks like a yellow face 2, clearwing, recessive pied (as Norm said) the red or the plum in the eye you can see in different lighting or flash indicates recessiveness. This is my educated guess

 

KBJ do you have a front shot of your budgie? I can't tell if your budgie has an iris ring? If it does I would lean toward a double factor pied. I see the patchy feathers between the wings and then some color around the upper shoulder area from what I can see of the picture. It also looks like the bird has blue feathers on the bottom is this true? Again a front shot would be most helpful.

Edited October 11, 200717 yr by Elly
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i was told on another forum a mixture of clearwing, spangle, pied and fallow with the yf gene is how i apparently got her she's paired to a fallow but their only eggs Died in shell soo waiting for next season i guess but yes she does have the reddish plum eyes with no iris ring ... does it help that the baby who died in it's shell very close to hatching date also had red eyes? they may have been plum but in my knowledge of the two it was more like red rather than plum???

i was told on another forum a mixture of clearwing, spangle, pied and fallow with the yf gene is how i apparently got her she's paired to a fallow but their only eggs Died in shell soo waiting for next season i guess but yes she does have the reddish plum eyes with no iris ring ... does it help that the baby who died in it's shell very close to hatching date also had red eyes? they may have been plum but in my knowledge of the two it was more like red rather than plum???

If fallow Libby the eyes would appear bright red like an inos eyes not plum, like you seem to have worked out already. I have one or two or three

yeah the people said she'd be split fallow... how they came to that conclusion i'm yet to know but perhaps the baby with pink eyes proved it so lets hope for their next round

KDJ As others have a said a frontal shot would be wonderful but from those shots I see no signs of piedness.

 

Clearwing would match the look although with no marking what so ever on the wings it would be a very good clearwing indeed. There is the Double factor Melanistic spangle that looks like a clearwing with coloured body and fully clear wings and I think it's 50% reduced body colour (suffusion)

 

I find it interesting that as a bub the cheek patch was blue but has since molted to white.

Hi everyone!

 

Here`s a picture of here from the front: http://upload2.postimage.org/22837/photo_hosting.html

I`ve never heard of a Double factor Melanistic spangle?What is the difference between this one and regular doubble factor spangle birds? If anyone have photos of such a bird I would love to see them.

 

Thanks!

KBJ

Double factor Melanistic spangle is a bird with totally clear wings (no markings) and still have the body colour. The deal with these birds is the parents MUST be a Melanistic spangle as well. They are a new sort of Spangles that have come out.

 

Topic on Melanistic spangles

Yes, I know and we don`t have Melanistic Spangles here in Norway yet that I am aware of. However she looks a lot like one I think. I was hoping that Daz would take a look at her, as I know he has this variaty in his aviary.

A silly question I guess, but is there a possibility, since this is a rather new mutation still, that DF Melanistic Spangles can occure without both parents having to be Melanistic Spangles??

Yes, I know and we don`t have Melanistic Spangles here in Norway yet that I am aware of. However she looks a lot like one I think. I was hoping that Daz would take a look at her, as I know he has this variaty in his aviary.

A silly question I guess, but is there a possibility, since this is a rather new mutation still, that DF Melanistic Spangles can occure without both parents having to be Melanistic Spangles??

 

I can’t get your new photo to load for me, so I can’t see it. As you say Melanistic Spangles are rare, so I guess the chances are small that it would be one of them. Mostly you have to have the mutation to breed that type of bird, but even though they are very rare, [mutations] birds do mutate, that’s how new mutations occur the first time.