Hey all long time no post, been working a lot like 6 days a week so ive had zero time to post here. Unfortunately one of my budgies got scaly face while my a.v.(avian vet) was away on vacation and her office closed, but luckily for me she was willing to take a few emails from me and some pics of the infected bird and made the diagnosis of scaly face. She told me where i could buy some ivermectin online and said to just follow the doseage directions on the bottle. So i finally get it in the mail and theres two different directions (its invermectin .08g/per l (grams per liter) with slippery elm). One set says apply 1 drop to the skin of the neck for 5x days the other says 1/2 teaspoon per quart of water 1 day a week for 6 weeks. At this point where shes going she cant get emials from me and the vet who is taking over for my regular is only skilled in emerengcy care and told me he wasny sure but either one should be okay....anyone have a better doseage or know which one i should use????? Thanks much. Oh by the way before i forget lucky for me she is a new bird and still in quarentine so hopefully no mass treatments needed..just incase anyone was wondering.

Edited August 31, 200717 yr by Last Budgie i swear

I've not used this but Kaz has made many comments before that she used the spot treatment rather than in the water. I would think it's best then you know for sure they are getting the right amount needed.

The Ivermectin we have in Australia is different, the one we can get here is a pour on for cattle, it’s 10mg/mL it doesn’t contain Slippery Elm. We just put one drop on the skin & that’s enough…it lasts in the body something like 21 days. If it’s made especially for birds I would just follow the instructions & I would agree with Nerwen, I think the skin dose would be more effective, as if water doesn’t taste good Budgies may not drink for some days.

The spot on method is very effective. I never have to redose, and once works in all cases I have treated. I DO have the one for water, but that is used on a regular basis within my aviaries for worming and feather lice etc. For scaley face I prefer the spot on treatment.

I use it for spot on too.

thanks for all the quick replies. Kaz you said something about never having to re-dose as in the 1 a day for 5 days doseage or one drop one day one time?? and just wondering can it be transmitted to humans ?

thanks for all the quick replies. Kaz you said something about never having to re-dose as in the 1 a day for 5 days doseage or one drop one day one time?? and just wondering can it be transmitted to humans ?

 

The one I use is one drop once only. I guess if the problem persists ( I have never had a persistant case ) you do it again in a couple of months. But the one we get is a once only spot treatment. Yours maybe different.

 

PS I have never seen a person with scalyface

Edited September 1, 200717 yr by **KAZ**
spelling correction

Ivermectin comes in many forms for sheep, cattle, dogs, horses etc. The right form for spot on treatment is the POUR-ON cattle formulation, not the oral sheep, cattle or horse formulations. The pour-on has the right surfactants and solvents for the active ingredient to get through the hair (in budgies case, feathers) and onto the skin. It treats intestinal worms by entering the skin, feather lice (reasonably well) and mites. Blood mites need re-treatment as they don't live on budgies just travel onto them and suck blood.

 

You can use water soluble form for worming too but i have found it not so effective for scale and lice.

 

Injectable form??????? Have seen it for sheep and cattle but not for birds unless there is a registered injectable form for birds in other countries.

 

There are several different brands of Ivermectin too. Ivomec, Baymec, Eprinex etc etc etc all made by different companies since ivermectin came off patent a few years ago here in Australia.

 

Using the cattle pour-on for budgies is obviously an off-label use and as such animal health companies that manufacture these products won't talk to you about it's use in budgies (they are unlikely to really know much about it anyway). Some vets will discuss it with you but then they often will want to sell their own products so won't talk about the pour-on application.

 

All this aside, using the cattle pour-ons is easy and it works and it gives me an excuse to handle check and monitor all my birds once or twice a year. I have NO scale on my birds at all and have not done since I started this treatement several years ago. I personally have not had any birds show adverse reactions to the treatment (and I figure with the amount I sometimes drop on myself, I get a good worming too!).

 

But for scale alone vasaline works well although it needs reapplication. Vasaline mixed with detol was the in thing when my mum was breeding budgies 30 years ago, that worked too. Anything that suffocated the mites in the holes that they have made (this is what we see as scale).

Ivermectin comes in many forms for sheep, cattle, dogs, horses etc. The right form for spot on treatment is the POUR-ON cattle formulation, not the oral sheep, cattle or horse formulations. The pour-on has the right surfactants and solvents for the active ingredient to get through the hair (in budgies case, feathers) and onto the skin. It treats intestinal worms by entering the skin, feather lice (reasonably well) and mites. Blood mites need re-treatment as they don't live on budgies just travel onto them and suck blood.

 

You can use water soluble form for worming too but i have found it not so effective for scale and lice.

 

Injectable form??????? Have seen it for sheep and cattle but not for birds unless there is a registered injectable form for birds in other countries.

 

There are several different brands of Ivermectin too. Ivomec, Baymec, Eprinex etc etc etc all made by different companies since ivermectin came off patent a few years ago here in Australia.

 

Using the cattle pour-on for budgies is obviously an off-label use and as such animal health companies that manufacture these products won't talk to you about it's use in budgies (they are unlikely to really know much about it anyway). Some vets will discuss it with you but then they often will want to sell their own products so won't talk about the pour-on application.

 

All this aside, using the cattle pour-ons is easy and it works and it gives me an excuse to handle check and monitor all my birds once or twice a year. I have NO scale on my birds at all and have not done since I started this treatement several years ago. I personally have not had any birds show adverse reactions to the treatment (and I figure with the amount I sometimes drop on myself, I get a good worming too!).

 

But for scale alone vasaline works well although it needs reapplication. Vasaline mixed with detol was the in thing when my mum was breeding budgies 30 years ago, that worked too. Anything that suffocated the mites in the holes that they have made (this is what we see as scale).

 

Is the drench kind okay to use-.8%/ml

Ivermectin comes in many forms for sheep, cattle, dogs, horses etc. The right form for spot on treatment is the POUR-ON cattle formulation, not the oral sheep, cattle or horse formulations. The pour-on has the right surfactants and solvents for the active ingredient to get through the hair (in budgies case, feathers) and onto the skin. It treats intestinal worms by entering the skin, feather lice (reasonably well) and mites. Blood mites need re-treatment as they don't live on budgies just travel onto them and suck blood.

 

You can use water soluble form for worming too but i have found it not so effective for scale and lice.

 

Injectable form??????? Have seen it for sheep and cattle but not for birds unless there is a registered injectable form for birds in other countries.

 

There are several different brands of Ivermectin too. Ivomec, Baymec, Eprinex etc etc etc all made by different companies since ivermectin came off patent a few years ago here in Australia.

 

Using the cattle pour-on for budgies is obviously an off-label use and as such animal health companies that manufacture these products won't talk to you about it's use in budgies (they are unlikely to really know much about it anyway). Some vets will discuss it with you but then they often will want to sell their own products so won't talk about the pour-on application.

 

All this aside, using the cattle pour-ons is easy and it works and it gives me an excuse to handle check and monitor all my birds once or twice a year. I have NO scale on my birds at all and have not done since I started this treatement several years ago. I personally have not had any birds show adverse reactions to the treatment (and I figure with the amount I sometimes drop on myself, I get a good worming too!).

 

But for scale alone vasaline works well although it needs reapplication. Vasaline mixed with detol was the in thing when my mum was breeding budgies 30 years ago, that worked too. Anything that suffocated the mites in the holes that they have made (this is what we see as scale).

 

Is the drench kind okay to use-.8%/ml

 

The drench form is not designed to be used topically (on the skin) and you can't dilute it in water so unless you know what to actually dilute it in stay away from it. The pour-on really is the only one that will be effective as a spot-on for budgies as it is designed to go through the hair and skin of cattle (or feathers in the case of budgies).

This is the information i have been looking for. I just found out my birds have scaly face and i had read about the ivermectin. I went straight to the vet and they didn't have it, then i went to three different pet supply places, only one had the cattle pour on. I assumed there was a specific ivermectin for birds so i didn't buy it. The man at the pet supply place said that the cattle ivermectin would be quote "overkill". I am going back tomorrow to buy it.

This is the information i have been looking for. I just found out my birds have scaly face and i had read about the ivermectin. I went straight to the vet and they didn't have it, then i went to three different pet supply places, only one had the cattle pour on. I assumed there was a specific ivermectin for birds so i didn't buy it. The man at the pet supply place said that the cattle ivermectin would be quote "overkill". I am going back tomorrow to buy it.

Did you read this pinned topic ?

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=26852&hl=

This is the information i have been looking for. I just found out my birds have scaly face and i had read about the ivermectin. I went straight to the vet and they didn't have it, then i went to three different pet supply places, only one had the cattle pour on. I assumed there was a specific ivermectin for birds so i didn't buy it. The man at the pet supply place said that the cattle ivermectin would be quote "overkill". I am going back tomorrow to buy it.

Did you read this pinned topic ?

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=26852&hl=

Cheers thanks Kaz

I anyone gets scaley face please post a picture :question:

Ivermectin comes in many forms for sheep, cattle, dogs, horses etc. The right form for spot on treatment is the POUR-ON cattle formulation, not the oral sheep, cattle or horse formulations. The pour-on has the right surfactants and solvents for the active ingredient to get through the hair (in budgies case, feathers) and onto the skin. It treats intestinal worms by entering the skin, feather lice (reasonably well) and mites. Blood mites need re-treatment as they don't live on budgies just travel onto them and suck blood.

 

You can use water soluble form for worming too but i have found it not so effective for scale and lice.

 

Injectable form??????? Have seen it for sheep and cattle but not for birds unless there is a registered injectable form for birds in other countries.

 

There are several different brands of Ivermectin too. Ivomec, Baymec, Eprinex etc etc etc all made by different companies since ivermectin came off patent a few years ago here in Australia.

 

Using the cattle pour-on for budgies is obviously an off-label use and as such animal health companies that manufacture these products won't talk to you about it's use in budgies (they are unlikely to really know much about it anyway). Some vets will discuss it with you but then they often will want to sell their own products so won't talk about the pour-on application.

 

All this aside, using the cattle pour-ons is easy and it works and it gives me an excuse to handle check and monitor all my birds once or twice a year. I have NO scale on my birds at all and have not done since I started this treatement several years ago. I personally have not had any birds show adverse reactions to the treatment (and I figure with the amount I sometimes drop on myself, I get a good worming too!).

 

But for scale alone vasaline works well although it needs reapplication. Vasaline mixed with detol was the in thing when my mum was breeding budgies 30 years ago, that worked too. Anything that suffocated the mites in the holes that they have made (this is what we see as scale).

 

Is the drench kind okay to use-.8%/ml

 

The drench form is not designed to be used topically (on the skin) and you can't dilute it in water so unless you know what to actually dilute it in stay away from it. The pour-on really is the only one that will be effective as a spot-on for budgies as it is designed to go through the hair and skin of cattle (or feathers in the case of budgies).

 

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splat mentioned ivomect for dog use cats what one would u use the cattle pouron one or is it diffrent again as i hear of it too just wasnt sure it was true