hey guys,

if i have a white double factor spangle and a mauve opaline clearflight... but no idea about splits... by rights what should i get for offspring?

Visual 50% Blue Spangle C/Flight Pied

====50%Blue Spangle,

 

Full Listing 25% Cobalt Spangle C/Flight/Op cock

====== 25% ========/Op cock

 

Full Listing 25% cobalt spangle c/flight/hen

=======25% ------- --------/hen

whats the difference between full listing and visual:S i'm new to the genetics thing and dont know all the meanings or options possible with mixed mutation:)

Macka listed what the offspring would be split for as well int he full listing.

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by Nerwen

If the Spangle is the cock and the Opaline is the hen.

 

25% Cock - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle, Split Opaline

25% Cock - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Pied (Dutch), Split Opaline

25% Hen - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle

25% Hen - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Pied (Dutch)

 

If the Spangle is the hen and the Opaline is the Cock

 

25% Cock - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle, Split Opaline

25% Cock - Cobalt, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Pied (Dutch), Split Opaline

25% Hen - Cobalt, Opaline, (SF) Spangle

25% Hen - Cobalt, Opaline, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Pied (Dutch)

sounds like very nice young their predicting

any pics for us to see? Some of us less educated like to look at the pics of the birds and go "ooohhhh" and then agree with everything that Kaz, Daz, Macka, Elly and Nerwen say.

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by dmcminn

ah thanks daz that makes is so much easier for me... makes my mind race even thinking of how you all learn the genetics:P the cock is the DF spangle in the case and the hen is the opaline cf mauve:) here's a picture of them for ya you

 

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by **KAZ**

Awe they are so so sweet

All your birds will be of the blue series as mentioned by macka

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by Elly

oh one more question where's the dutch pied come from:S?

Original Pieds were Dutch

Prior to 1958 the Dominant Pied in the UK was the Dutch, but it always seemed to be difficult to actually improve the Pieds produced, especially in size, although for some unknown reason this did not apply to the same degree with the non-Pieds. When the Australian "banded" Pied arrived it was quickly realized that this factor was capable of being improved by selective breeding. Not surprisingly, this advantage led to increased Australian Pieds, to the detriment of the earlier Dutch form. So much so, that the numbers of Dutch Pieds declined to the point that it is doubtful if any true examples exist in the UK today. One additional form of Pied that was around at the time was the Continental Clearflight. More of the Clearflight later, as this type still exists. The Dutch Pied had the head spot or patch and, immediateiy below the mask, had a small clear area of yellow or white similar to Recessive Pieds. The rest of the body had variegated patches of clear colour on a normal body ground colour. The wings were approximately 50% dark, 50% ground colour (white or yellow). The dark markings were usually polka-dotted or grizzled. Flight feathers were a mixture of clear and dark, and the long tail feathers could be the same. An attractive and colourful Budgerigar, it is a pity if the Dutch Pied truly has gone.

 

Click here for FULL Article on Pieds

oh... i wasnt aware she was pied of any kind... i thought she was just an opaline cf:S?

If the picture is the parents.The cock is a albino,not a double factor spangle.

 

The off spring will be.

 

25%cobalt c/flight/apaline ino cock

25%cobalt/opaline ino cock

 

25% albino cobalt c/flight pied hen

25% albino cobalt hen

 

The hens will be white & the cocks blue.

clearfight is a form of a dominant pied

If the picture is the parents.The cock is a albino,not a double factor spangle.The off spring will be.25%cobalt c/flight/apaline ino cock25%cobalt/opaline ino cock25% albino cobalt c/flight pied hen25% albino cobalt henThe hens will be white & the cocks blue.

macka when I looked at that picture I was thinking the same thing that was an ino but being that I am not thinking quite straight I didn't mention it. Does your bird have red eyes? it shows the pink cere which is indicating a ino vs a DF spangle which would have a blue cere and iris rings. Unless it has black eyes with no iris ring then it would be a Dark Eyed Clear.

nah he's got black eyes i was orignally thinking he was a DEC but i posted him up and people said he looked like he had iris rings so i went and had a closer look and he has little faint white ones so they said it made him a DF spangle but he's definatly black eyed picture doesnt really do him justice... but i still dont get who's pied:S?

The hen is pied she is a clearflight pied

so you are for certian you see iris rings or not really sure? I know you said you say them but are you positive. I am going that he is a DEC.

Elly it looks to have a iras ring & it dosent look black.If it is a black eye.

The offspring will be 75% blue clear flight pied.

25% blue.

 

To many combination for a full list.I think there was 12. :

yeah absolutly definate ummm try this picture i dont know if u can see them:S right on the outer edge of his pupil there u can see his iris although it kinda blends in with his eyelids:S

 

very blury sorry bout the quality

hey guys,

if i have a white double factor spangle and a mauve opaline clearflight... but no idea about splits... by rights what should i get for offspring?

 

 

Your the one who telling us it is pied.(Clearflights are pied.)

oh wait found one where u can see his iris:Paww thanks macka... i didnt know clear flight meant it was pied i thought it only referred to the wing and nothing more:S sorry:(

Red Eye Iam going to bed now,its past my bed time here :feedbirds:

it looks red from the flash catching it same as human eyes:s seriously it's like black with an iris:S

I'm seeing dark plum eyes too

A DF spangle male should also have a blue cere, only a DEC or Ino keeps the pink cere for life. I'm going DEC for the spunky little man!!

umm okay can either of those types carry and iris ring but?

I am agreeing with Pie on this one, the flash usually picks up the plum in there BUT guess what you will know for sure when they bred and you see what type of babies you have