Here is the link to the winners at the Nationals held in Adelaide recently. This link shows you the photos of all the classes shown and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd placings.

 

http://www.anbc.iinet.net.au/2007NatPict.doc

 

 

and the winners list

http://www.anbc.iinet.net.au/downloads/200..._AllResults.pdf

Edited June 30, 200718 yr by **KAZ**

thanks kaz. those are some beautiful birds!!

I just dont get this one:Opaline AOSV ??

The normal greens are a beautiful coloration

 

I really like the coloration on the greengreys, they look more green then grey but you can tell by the cheek patches.

 

The skyblue, I love the throat spots this is an excellent display of how they need to look.

 

I wonder if the grey is a double factor the coloring is so deep and dark. He has a great clean head too no flecking, no sign of pin feathers. Beautiful.

 

The black-eyed self WOW, that is all I can say. Clean, healthy, gorgeous looking bird.

 

I don't think I have ever seen a lutino or albino with such a poofy head

 

The winged ones are gorgeous I like the stance on a lot of them. I notice that their wings are grey but not diluted like a lot of the ones I see on the forums.

 

The cinnamon too, what a gorgeous dark brown vs the lighter that we usually see.

 

That one opaline with all the flecking looks like Elvis his head is so poofy.

 

Opaline ASOV I think means they are a different color vs the normal green...but I can stand to be corrected .

I could go on and on....but I would probably bore you .

 

I think that one is yellowface violet (is gorgeous)

 

okay...I lied I love the spangle throat spots they look clear inside and the markings look like they were traced on.

 

The recessive pied WOW the first one I don't think I have ever seen a recessive pied with such large and defined throat spots. It makes them look different.

 

The crested grey spangle...how gorgeous is that hairdo , I would love to see one of those in person. The cobalt/violet looks like he needs a haircut

 

okay...I am done thank you kaz for sharing

Edited June 30, 200718 yr by Elly

I just dont get this one:Opaline AOSV

 

That stand for 'Opaline - any other standard variety'. Some of the varieties cannot be shown if they are opaline, such as the Black Eyed Self. Because of this they are shown in this class.

 

 

Feathers.

Thanks for those links Kaz, that was very interesting. I was thinking of starting up a post lately about the spots on British Show budgies…about how they seem to have not worried that much about breeding only with the six spots on their mask, I knew that they pluck some feathers out, before showing, but I was thinking that if that was so, some birds wouldn’t have any mask left…(Laughing out loud)…well looking at some of those pictures it looks like that is true & it doesn’t seem to matter. Some look like they only have the feathers with the desired spots left. Apart from that, nice birds, I wouldn’t mind some of them. Also it helped in another way, one guy near here’s name was given to me to contact & I couldn’t find him in the phone book, but I see he was showing over there & got the correct spelling of his name & found him in the book so helped in lots of ways thanks.

Well, that re-inforces my dislike of show bird trends. Most of those poor things looked like they would have a hard time seeing past their ornate head feathers. A bit like various breeds of dog that now have serious eye sight problems.

 

I know the winning show bird look is fashionable and "desirable" to many, but I'm sorry, I just don't like it. It just does not seem beneficial to the future of the species.

 

KathyW.

KathyW.They dont look like that all the time.That just there show pose.Most of the time there feather is in a relaxed state.

Well, that re-inforces my dislike of show bird trends. Most of those poor things looked like they would have a hard time seeing past their ornate head feathers. A bit like various breeds of dog that now have serious eye sight problems.

 

I know the winning show bird look is fashionable and "desirable" to many, but I'm sorry, I just don't like it. It just does not seem beneficial to the future of the species.

 

KathyW.

 

Can I agree to disagree or disagree to agree or whatever that statement is. You are right there are many dogs, cats, budgies and other types of animals that are breed soley for the look and not for the health. Cabela our mini pin rescue is an example as he was rescused from a puppy mill at the age of 5yr old. Cabela was bred and bred for the prime use of producing puppies. Very sad . Are there some breeders on these boards that mill budgies probably are there many that don't YES.

 

I felt like you did not long ago until I became more knowledgable about the show side, met members such as Daz, macka, Kaz and others who have open my mind to what "responsible" breeding of exhibition budgies is. My own bird Merlin who is part English has given me a new way of looking at show budgies vs our pet budgies such as my Pretty who died before the age of 2 years old from an unknown cause.

 

Because of these member above there are many who are now joining BBC to learn about responsible "show breeding" and "showing their birds" and along with long time members who are now getting interested. In fact just 6 months back there was an out pour of those who wanted to learn more and Daz took a lot of time answering questions and I along with Kaz and Feathers added them to the BBC FAQ so others could learn and learn more about the hobby of breeding show budgies.

Here is are BBC FAQ's for Show Budgies http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...tion=show&cat=3

 

Your statement will cause a flare up mainly because you have "lumped" all exhibition members/budgies together by saying "I know the winning show bird look is fashionable and "desirable" to many, but I'm sorry, I just don't like it. It just does not seem beneficial to the future of the species." When you pull this statement apart you are saying (though you probably don't mean it) that our members who show are not breeding for healthy, longivity and more....

 

Please don't take it that I am attacking you in anyway, I am not. I am a simple "non-shower pet owner" that is stating what I have seen yoour statement to say (though you may have not meant to say it that way). Looking at pictures is not a good way to judge if it is right are wrong there are SO many aspects.

 

In ending who is to say because those who are used to the "pet" looking budgie are healthier and not milled just because it looks more appealing to our eye. The same as the show budgie...yes it doesn't look like their "wild" cousin but neither do the pet budgies. I see more pet budgies being thrown in cages wilth a sales sticker on them and more in rescues then I see "show type" what statement does that tell us?

 

Just don't be surprised if you get a few angry responses.

Edited July 1, 200718 yr by Elly

Many a statement has been made by those who have had little up close contact with show birds...those that have never felt one in their hands or owned the "type". Many pet type budgies owners have entered into debates on here in the past based on their personal taste or the type of budgie we own ourselves. And REALLY it all comes down to our perception...right or wrong.

I, along with many, in the early days when my mind was a little more closed than it is now, my eyes less "opened" than they are now......felt that the exhibition budgerigar was a monster of a mis-shapen, contorted, cartoon image of a "real budgie". I have learnt new things and have become more educated and less opinionated these days. I can see both sides.

The budgerigar we all know today, is so far from the original budgie, whether it be pet type or exhibition type........so very different in two totally separate directions. Just as all mankind is diverse in our looks, genetic makeup, skin colour, etc from the beginnings of time ....whether you believe that we came from Adam and Eve or from the apes. :ausb:

The fact is...the difference between the exhibition budgie and the pet budgie is more about FEATHER and less about skeletal structure. Its about the development of exceptional feather type, quality and structure that makes an exhibition or show budgie look the way it does. Every budgie, especially the boys, like to throw their head feathers forward in a display as part of mating behaviour and ritual towards others in their community...just as a pet budgie cock throws his head feathers forward and headbobs to his chosen girl ( or boy as the case may be ) ....so does the show budgie...but with a show budgie it appears more obvious and more exaggerated...more "showy" due to the volume and type of " fluffy and boofy" feathers

To say that the perceived physical attributes of a show budgie is not beneficial to the future of the species is all well and good, but the same can also be said of the pet type budgie. The pet budgie is also far from the original, just in an opposite direction thats all. The fact is, by sheer numbers, by the attraction of pretty colours in petshops, most budgie people would own pet type budgies. And the owners of pet type budgies may never have come across an exhibition type budgie up close enough to have formed a bond with one.

As I own both types, I see the good in both. From my own personal observations, I find that my show budgies overall are a calmer, more easily handled bird with the sweetest of dispositions. My pet types are more flighty and less inclined to endure being held without trying to bite and flee. I find my pet type budgies easier to breed and more prolific than my show types. Neither type, I find, is hardier in health than the other. My show types however have a PEDIGREE that goes back 4-6 generations where I know of their great grandparents health all the way through. I would be happy to provide a copy of just one of my show budgies pedigrees. Can I say that of my pet types....NO. Only of those pet budgies I have bred myself can I say...I knew their father or mother and no further back at this stage. Even if I owned the parents, I cannot vouch for their health and longevity of parents or grandparents as they were in all likelihood petshop or similar type purchases.

I have seen and experienced these mills that have produced the very budgies I started out with...buying from petstores and the like ....in the days when I knew a whole lot less than I do now. One I came across had huge aviaries with multiple nestboxes set at 10 foot high level....dead budgies on the floors, scalyface on many birds to a point of horrific disfigurement, mice and rats running everywhere. There was no regard to health of the breeding pairs nor was any notice taken of relationships of the breeding birds. A purchase from these aviaries involved a net and a grab at anything he could catch, regardless of if the chosen bird had babies in a nest or not...it didnt matter, it was a sale. This is just one of the suppliers to petshops. I know there are good and bad suppliers to petshops but when a petshop will only pay you up to $5 a bird mostly, then the sloppy breeders dont give a toss about the birds. Chances are pretty high that a petshop purchased budgie has very dodgy genes to begin with. One good thing about show budgie breeders is that they like to breed birds that have good genes going back a few generations...they know the history of the family line, they keep and breed only the BEST ( fertility, health, longevity, vigour, and physical substance ). Perceived faults will not be bred into a show bird, the aim being to breed " BETTER THAN ITS PARENTS " .

 

***Anyway....this is a debate that has come up again and again on this forum in past history and a search will find you more like this in past debates. There are no WINNERS here. Each will have an opinion and each will argue their points, all based really on...preference and knowledge or lack of it depending on how flexible or inflexible we choose to be with what we are willing to take on board as fact or fiction.

Edited July 1, 200718 yr by **KAZ**