I had noticed of late that mostly my Budgies didn’t seem to have barred foreheads, even when just leaving the nest. Then I saw some really small pet types at the bird sale last weekend & saw how much their foreheads were barred. What is your experience with this? I was going to ask for some time. Do you think that birds that have been bred for show seem to have lost this, at least partially or is it the British bird influence?

Maybe it's the concentration on selecting for such large "boofy" heads & clear foreheads?

Edited June 6, 200718 yr by Norm

Norm have you noticed on specific mutations?

 

Pretty my pet store budgie bar lines were very faint and he was a recessive pied.

 

Merlin a dominant pied with just the pied spot bar lines were very faint too, now you would think they would be more prominant. He is part exhibition budgie.

 

I remember Daz and I talking about this before and I have observed what you are noticing too but I am not sure if it is the mutation or the variety.

Elly, I think it’s because they keep selecting birds that have clearer foreheads as adults & now lots of babies have very little or almost no barring even when leaving the nest. One of my best families I noticed how clear they were straight from the nest.

But then again, especially Opalines, but also some other colours, in the British show type budgies, seem to have lots of speckles or dark feathers even after the adult moult is finished. Which of course is a show fault. As shown in some of those Opalines I bought this week, whose pictures are on my other post.

Also with the Recessive pieds as you say, they seem to do lots of strange things to the colour of feathers, not only on the forehead, I have one small pet type Recessive pied, who is now adult, who has retained his forehead barring, he has a very narrow yellow area then straight away, the barring without the clear forehead. Also the Recessive gene seems to change the wing pattern on lots of birds.

Elly, I think it’s because they keep selecting birds that have clearer foreheads as adults & now lots of babies have very little or almost no barring even when leaving the nest. One of my best families I noticed how clear they were straight from the nest.

But then again, especially Opalines, but also some other colours, in the British show type budgies, seem to have lots of speckles or dark feathers even after the adult moult is finished. Which of course is a show fault. As shown in some of those Opalines I bought this week, whose pictures are on my other post.

Also with the Recessive pieds as you say, they seem to do lots of strange things to the colour of feathers, not only on the forehead, I have one small pet type Recessive pied, who is now adult, who has retained his forehead barring, he has a very narrow yellow area then straight away, the barring without the clear forehead. Also the Recessive gene seems to change the wing pattern on lots of birds.

 

Bar heads or unbroken caps,keep there baring up tp 10 weeks & sometime longer,before they break there caps & start there first mult.You havent aphoto of one that is lite on baring. The Inos have no baring.

Pics of Daz's babies and mine

 

There was a post started about the difference in english vs pet in the post above you will see Merlin's baby picture and Daz also has picture of his babies.

 

I think it is a really good observation and I have noticed it too Norm. Certainly something to keep an eye out for and would love to hear what others have to say too.

Daz has mentioned before that he had a chick out of the nest with near to no barring at all, and I have noticed one or two amongst my show types with the same thing. Interesting topic.

I've had regular pet budgies who've not had the bars right down to their ceres, so i don't think it's a pet vs show type thing...

Edited June 7, 200718 yr by Bea

maybe it is more of a clear cap vs cap where it is a genetic thing where one of the genes is either recessive or dominant? Breeding records and knowing the parents from birth and so on would help prove a theory?

 

plus I believe certain mutations play a part such as the pied gene

Daz’s & Bea’s Pictures of pet type budgies, have still quite clear foreheads, compared to the birds I saw at the bird show on Sunday, which brought back to me how barred young budgies used to be. They had their barring right down to the cere, with no clear yellow showing at all & these birds were not just out of the nest & were really small birds as well. Most of my birds are quite clear, so I don’t think I can provide a picture of what I mean. Should have taken my camera with me. I think even lots of Pet type budgies that you see these days have quite a lot of “improved’ blood in them, from show & British bloods.

Edited June 7, 200718 yr by Norm

More like this Norm, check out splat's baby the 2nd picture http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15274 I know I have seen some with some good bar lines that you are talking about recently

 

Here is another good one of splat's babies http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15175

More like this Norm, check out splat's baby the 2nd picture http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15274 I know I have seen some with some good bar lines that you are talking about recently

 

Here is another good one of splat's babies http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15175

 

Yes, especially the first chic in that second site, but I have even seen more stronger bars than that, they look quite nice birds & look at least better than pet birds, I guess it varies, depending on the families of birds, even some of the more show types, may possess stronger bars than others.

Norm I had to laugh when I saw BudgieTim's baby picture come through look at this barlines http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....topic=15443&hl= now I am going to notice them all the time :budgiedance:

Norm I had to laugh when I saw BudgieTim's baby picture come through look at this barlines http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....topic=15443&hl= now I am going to notice them all the time :budgiedance:

 

How True Elly, I thought exactly the same thing, that I should tell you...that was a good example.

:budgiedance: the funny thing about this little one is that you can already see the iris rings coming in at such a young age (Merlin was like that too) odd huh?

the funny thing about this little one is that you can already see the iris rings coming in at such a young age (Merlin was like that too) odd huh?

 

Yes he says it’s 7 weeks old, a little bit old I would think to tame, younger would have been better. Maybe the ones with lots of baring mature early. There’s always genetic variation too.

Merlin didn't have hardly any barlines as in my picture and he has his iris rings very quick?? I got him around 8 wks...and that is actually an excellent age to tame to be honest not too old at all. Right out of the nest pretty much.

Yes I guess your right, it’s about 5 weeks before they leave & another week to make sure they are eating okay. I think I was thinking that the 7 weeks was from the time they left the nest…I don’t have pets, just birds in the aviary, so I don’t watch the iris that close, especially now I’m getting on & the eyes ain’t what they used to be & I don’t have my glasses on all the time.

 

PS. You don't seem to sleep that much Elly...(Laughing out loud)...you seem to be on lots when I am.

Edited June 8, 200718 yr by Norm

your morning is my evening and my morning is your evening and I woke up really early about 5am because I couldn't sleep. Don't know why .