Thanks Kaz, that's an idea, anyway I'm going to live dangerously & keep them for the time being & try some other possible matings. They are nice big birds & I need some more size in some of my birds. Like you say maybe it's just temporary, I have noticed improvements in health of most of the birds I have bought, so maybe a little more time will see results. I've had them three months almost now, so if it was some disease, hopefully it would have showed up by now.

Some small luck, that cock that I bought with this batch, [Cinnamon Grey] paired with one of my hens Opaline Sky Blue [not a big bird] has hatched one chick so far & as I said previously, their eggs look fertile. So if one is fertile maybe some hope for some of the others later. Of course he is one of the worse ones I bought, I wouldn’t have even bought this one except that he offered me the last three he hadn’t sold for $5 each. Well as they say you can even get a good bird from a not so good looking one, if it comes from a good breeding line, so I will live in hope. It has a nice broad forehead, which is a plus for my breeding hopes. Two of the cocks that produced infertile eggs & looked very quite in the breeding cabinets have got a new lease of life, now they are in the aviary.

I put one of my cocks with the Cinnamon Green hen [one of the best] & she has gone down on eggs again & I checked her eggs yesterday & at least one had veins started, so at least she can produce fertile eggs.

The other cock with one of my hens has hatched 5 chicks, they are not with show type birds, but hopefully I will get some improved birds.

good to hear Norm