Posted June 2, 200718 yr Here is a pair that have babies. I was wondering if you genetics buffs could tell me what we would get from these two ? Any ideas ? Hen Cock Edited June 15, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
June 2, 200718 yr all the babies will be bue the males will be split to opaline 50% normals, 50% spangles all will yellow faces and be type 2 Of course you have your surprises in the nest from the dad if he has any sex-linked genes he is hiding and any recessive genes that both parents may have. That is my prediction
June 2, 200718 yr Mum: Violet Spangle Opaline Skyblue? Dad: YF2/GF2 Skyblue If that is the colour of the parents, you can expect: Used the Genetic Calculator, http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=1Budg % from all 1.0 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) spangle(sf) /opaline % from all 0.1 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue 12.5% 0.1 blue spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) spangle(sf)
June 2, 200718 yr Author Mum: Violet Spangle Opaline Skyblue?Dad: YF2/GF2 Skyblue If that is the colour of the parents, you can expect: Used the Genetic Calculator, http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=1Budg % from all 1.0 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue spangle(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /opaline 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) spangle(sf) /opaline % from all 0.1 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) 12.5% 0.1 bl.goldenfaceBlue violet(sf) spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue 12.5% 0.1 blue spangle(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) 12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) spangle(sf) Mum is a dominant pied greywing spangle sky violet ? all the babies will be buethe males will be split to opaline 50% normals, 50% spangles all will yellow faces and be type 2 Of course you have your surprises in the nest from the dad if he has any sex-linked genes he is hiding and any recessive genes that both parents may have. That is my prediction Why would all be yellowfaces ?
June 2, 200718 yr I couldn't see any opaline in the hen.. Half will be normal half will be Spangle, half will be yellowface, half will be dominant Pied. All these traits are dominant so half the chciks will have a chance to get the dominant gene. As you can have more than one dominant gene on a bird you can get a yellowface dominant pied spangle. So I would ecpect the same in single dominant genes. ie Yellow faces, Dominant Pieds, Spangles, and Normal blues. Add to this the possible splits and anything could come up.
June 2, 200718 yr Author I will post some piks later.... babies are feathering up. Thankyou for comments. Edited June 2, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
June 2, 200718 yr Author Sorry for lack of photos. My father in law is in hospital and our day went to pot. I will do photos tomorrow. BUT we have pieds, 4 I think so far, and we have a definite greywing.
June 2, 200718 yr Kaz, Greywing is a recessive gene. That would mean both birds are split to greywing. Hope your Father inlaw is going good. Edited June 2, 200718 yr by Daz
June 2, 200718 yr I forgot the dominant pied it was late last night sorry about that 50% dominant pied 50% norma I thought her marking where light because of the spangle gene if she is a greywing she would be a fullbody because her body coloring looks bright. Hope Ken's dad is okay today and look forward to pics when you have a chance.
June 2, 200718 yr Author Kaz, Greywing is a recessive gene. That would mean both birds are split to greywing. Hope your Father inlaw is going good. Interesting she had a greywing once before with a totally different cockbird. Fatherinlaw spent the night on a trolley in emergency and wasnt admitted to a room till 2pm this afternoon.......not impressed : thats 16 hours of discomfort for the old boy. He awaits tests and cardiology results. I forgot the dominant pied it was late last night sorry about that50% dominant pied 50% norma I thought her marking where light because of the spangle gene if she is a greywing she would be a fullbody because her body coloring looks bright. Hope Ken's dad is okay today and look forward to pics when you have a chance. The greywing chick is appearing to be a possible cobalt or skyblue greywing. Others yet to feather, but we have some nice pieds in there and two youngest chicks have no feathers as yet.
June 2, 200718 yr Wow. I got the hen wrong didn't i! I always forget spangles can get colour over the backs of their necks, it looks so much like Opaline to me! I'm sure the chicks will be gorgeous!
June 2, 200718 yr ill try. males (all blues) 12.5 percent yf spangles split opaline 12.5 percent df yf (whiteface) spangles split opaline 12.5 percent yf split opaline 12.5 percent df yf split opaline females (all blues) 12.5 percent yf spangles 12.5 percent df yf (whiteface) spangles 12.5 percent yf 12.5 percent df yf and then half of all should be violet and other half dominant (this MUST be wrong, I just tried. ) Edited June 2, 200718 yr by Marlony
June 2, 200718 yr Author Wow. I got the hen wrong didn't i! I always forget spangles can get colour over the backs of their necks, it looks so much like Opaline to me! I'm sure the chicks will be gorgeous! Dont worry Ellulah...this hen was controversial when I first got her, as we were all trying to figure her out A few people said she was opaline too.
June 2, 200718 yr Don't worry, a lot of people thing opaline when it's just a poorly marked spangle. Greywing Pairings Edited June 2, 200718 yr by Daz
June 3, 200718 yr Author Well, it looks like I was wrong about the greywing....markings seems to be spangle but NOT quite ?? What was confusing is the markings started out grey and there is also pale blue with the grey on the top of wings. other chicks Edited June 4, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
June 3, 200718 yr oooh I can't wait to see how that Yellowface pied turns out! Don't know whats happening with spangle... looks fairly normal to me?
June 3, 200718 yr Well the hen has that blue up there too so we shall see huh? I love to see the babies feather up, great picture Kaz
June 9, 200718 yr Author Here's five of the babies today...the tiniest one got squashed by its older siblings and died. ** ** ** ** ** Edited June 9, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
June 9, 200718 yr Awe...keep those photos coming....they look like they will have amazing colours Kaz
June 9, 200718 yr Sorry to hear about your youngest Your babies all look gorgeous!! Can't wait to see how they all turn out!
June 9, 200718 yr Author Here's five of the babies today...the tiniest one got squashed by its older siblings and died. ** ** ** ** ** correct me if I am wrong but I am trying to work these guys out 1. is a YF type 2 skyblue greywing dom pied spangle ? 2. cobalt or sky violet spangle ? 3. violet dominant pied ? 4. skyviolet dom pied ...looks DF but cannot be ? 5. not sure...has grey wing markings and blue body colour ...nearly there .... Edited June 9, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
June 15, 200718 yr Author New photos. Two are often out of the nest...the two dom pied blues series ones. This one looks DF dom pied but isnt ...it only has colour on the rump area and two very minor spots lower tummy area. Edited June 15, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
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