gorgeous bird. I always thought dec and black eyed self were the same.

dark eyed clears don't have an iris ring

from the description I read that Aly has, these dark eyed blacks do have an iris ring "Their eyes are dark with a white iris ring"

gorgeous bird. I always thought dec and black eyed self were the same.

 

Very different Marlon, as previously discussed the DEC needs two recessive genes and a clearwing gene, whereas the Black Eye is a recessive gene and only needs the two recessive genes, one from each parent.

 

They were only discovered recently compared to other mutations, but as they are a much smaller variety than other not many breeders take them up as you could not win Grand Champion with this variety. This accounts more for their rarity than their difficulty in breeding.

 

 

Feathers.

Well done Feathers. I had two mutations in mind that the picture matched. Black eyed self and a dilute yellow. I've only seen one other picture of a BES so I wasn't sure.

I had a post some months ago, after I came to this forum, asking about these birds as I wanted to get some, but then people only spoke about DEC & DF Spangles, as if they were the only Yellow birds. I know they are not common, that’s a nice type bird Feathers, do you have more than the one bird…I started to get suspicious that you knew what colour that birds was & was just testing us, when you asked…any more guesses…(Laughing out loud).

PS. I thought black Eyed Selfs had no wing markings.

Edited May 26, 200718 yr by Norm

I never heard of them Norm but now I have :sad:, I was probably one of those talking about DEC and DF spangles.

that’s a nice type bird Feathers, do you have more than the one bird…I started to get suspicious that you knew what colour that birds was & was just testing us, when you asked…any more guesses…(Laughing out loud).

PS. I thought black Eyed Selfs had no wing markings.

 

 

Hi Norm, I have two. A cock and a hen. I will try to get 1 round of splits from them and 1 round together, so I have a bigger stock to work with next season.

 

Elly worked out fairly quickly too that I knew what mutation the bird was. I remember when I first joined, Nerwen I think, did the same thing. I found it was a really good exercise, so I decided to repeat it.

 

The full descrption of BES birds are in this post: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....topic=15223&hl=

 

A black eyed self bird should have their back, rump, breast flanks and underparts all an even shade of colour throughout. Faint markings are found on their cheeks, back of head, neck and wings. Their eyes are dark with a white iris ring

 

 

Feathers.

Sorry Norm I know I was one of those people. It's not a mutation talk of much and at that time the knowledge was unforgotten in the back of my mind. Also I know when I first heard of them I was mixing the word SELF with CLEAR Not helpful.

Not a problem guys, we are all learning. I looked at your other post Feathers & saw the answer to some of my questions. Good idea how your going to breed them, gives you some birds with different genetics to work with straight off. Do you know how close the two you bought are?

Do you know how close the two you bought are?

 

Both totally unrelated birds from NSW.

 

 

Feathers.

I had never even heard of Dark Eyed Selfs! They are very attractive birds, congrats!

 

Dark Eyed Selfs

 

BLACK eyed self's Every one, including myself confuses the two terms. I have called a dark eyed clear a black eyed clear before today. It's easier to remember BES and DEC

 

 

Feathers.

feathers in your other post you may want do to a difference between the 2 as an add on what do you think? Because I think people will get confused with terms. just a thought

Yep, no problem, Elly. Will do.

 

 

Feathers.