okay guys... I am tring to work out what snowhite and Prince babies will be i used this

Genetic Calculator

and i am sure i used it wrong cause it said Green/ino

What the Prince is Colbalt Blue has a little white spot on the back of his head

and she is Albino split blue ( can see the very faint blue on her back ) has red eyes

so how can this produce Green babies

Well Neat...i recon you would have to be a brain surgeon to work out that table.....where do you start

Well Neat...i recon you would have to be a brain surgeon to work out that table.....where do you start

 

I had no idea i was just winging it

1.0 i though was male 0.1 was female....

and well there is no instruction on this thing

and i really don't wanna wait till they hatch

They will be SKY blue & Cobalt,& split for albino & Rec Pie.

I don't use the calculator I use my head , Nerwen and others taught me well. I can't get that % down to the exact but who needs that they are only %'s.

 

Prince is a dominant pied if he has a small spot on the back of his head (it is rumored that it could mean split to recessive but I have not seen concrete evidence in any book about that only tiels).

 

Albinos are not split to blue albinos are blue birds with the blue erased from the body because of the abino gene. They are a white based bird.

 

Lutinos are a green based bird with the lutino gene erasing the green from the bird leaving the base color yellow.

 

As it stands if you breed them they will have

 

50% normal

50% dominant pieds

If he is carrying the ino gene they babies will be visual and be females

She will give the ino gene to all her males babies and they will be split but not visual.

 

Of course there are a wide variety of recessive genes that they both may carry and any sex-linked genes that the male carries that he can give to his females.

 

Yes you can not get a green bird from a blue budgie not possible since blue is recessive.

 

macka where do you get recessive pied?

I don't use the calculator I use my head , Nerwen and others taught me well. I can't get that % down to the exact but who needs that they are only %'s.

 

Prince is a dominant pied if he has a small spot on the back of his head (it is rumored that it could mean split to recessive but I have not seen concrete evidence in any book about that only tiels).

 

Albinos are not split to blue albinos are blue birds with the blue erased from the body because of the abino gene. They are a white based bird.

 

Lutinos are a green based bird with the lutino gene erasing the green from the bird leaving the base color yellow.

 

As it stands if you breed them they will have

 

50% normal

50% dominant pieds

If he is carrying the ino gene they babies will be visual and be females

She will give the ino gene to all her males babies and they will be split but not visual.

 

Of course there are a wide variety of recessive genes that they both may carry and any sex-linked genes that the male carries that he can give to his females.

 

Yes you can not get a green bird from a blue budgie not possible since blue is recessive.

 

macka where do you get recessive pied?

 

 

okay What do you mean NORMAL????

so some will be blue some will be light blue bots will be white????

Edited May 23, 200718 yr by Neat

a normal bird is your regular blue budgie and depending if they have no dark factor, 1 dark factor or 2 dark factors will determine the color of the blue (sky, cobalt or mauve). Since the hen's color is erased we are not sure how many dark factors she carries.

 

Did we determine that Prince was a violet like Merlin or a cobalt because that changes the outcomes too.

a normal bird is your regular blue budgie and depending if they have no dark factor, 1 dark factor or 2 dark factors will determine the color of the blue (sky, cobalt or mauve). Since the hen's color is erased we are not sure how many dark factors she carries.

 

Did we determine that Prince was a violet like Merlin or a cobalt because that changes the outcomes too.

 

Nope Colbalt - Wished he was violet ...*wolf whistles

she has the pale sky blue on her back too

Elly- I have recesive pied splits with the dot. (funnily enough they and all the breeders birds that do have this are hens)

Here is the written proof you were looking for.....

One must understand that this variety is not a sex-linked one, so the above expectations do not depend on which parent has which genotype, and the expectation applies to either sex. In some cases those Normal/Recessive Pieds "splits for convenience" show a small clear spot on the back of the head.

 

 

breeding rec pieds

 

This now shown- Dom pieds do also have the dot as do spangle bred birds.

 

I really dont like that genetic table either Its too confusing for someone not 100% at genetics

Elly- I have recesive pied splits with the dot. (funnily enough they and all the breeders birds that do have this are hens)

Here is the written proof you were looking for.....

One must understand that this variety is not a sex-linked one, so the above expectations do not depend on which parent has which genotype, and the expectation applies to either sex. In some cases those Normal/Recessive Pieds "splits for convenience" show a small clear spot on the back of the head.

 

 

breeding rec pieds

 

This now shown- Dom pieds do also have the dot as do spangle bred birds.

 

I really dont like that genetic table either Its too confusing for someone not 100% at genetics

 

Well he ( prince ) Has a tiny white dot on the back of his big head and has iris rings.....

 

FINGERS CROSSED FOR MAUVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It is cold the mouse is stuck in a box and I am hanging for a smoke and bed... Shall continue this later Good night all thanks for the company

Prince is a male I believe I just reconfirmed with Neat (not that makes a difference).

 

I remember Kaz saying that hers at the spot indicating possible recessive pied.

 

The thing is even if you get all 100% normals it still doesn't disprove that the bird with the spot is not a dominant pied it is just %'s. So you would have to breed the bird again to a normal (not a dominant pied) to see if you would get any dominant pied to ensure it is not a dominant pied and I would say at least 3 clutches and of course if you can find a normal split to recessive pied to see if they produce any recessive pied babies together.

 

The only way there would be recessives though is that if the albino hen was carrying the gene too. So even if Prince is split for recessive pied there may be no recessive pied babies unless the abino is split for recessive pied too.

 

Thank you for the article I love learning - does that all make sense above I feel confused now.

Yes that calculator does take a rocket scientists to work out I believe you only forgot to click the blue for the hen (or maybe both of them)

Ally, I think you will find,that normals are not split for dom pie.Only for Rec Pie. :budgiedance:

yes, you have to click on blue like nerwen said. I made that same mistake in the beginning.

Ally, I think you will find,that normals are not split for dom pie.Only for Rec Pie.

 

Are you saying me? I never said that anywhere that normals were split for dominant pied only recessive :budgiedance: because that is impossible since dominant pied is dominant

Edited May 24, 200718 yr by Elly

Ally, I think you will find,that normals are not split for dom pie.Only for Rec Pie.

 

 

I think you mistaken what was said...

 

Elly was talking about he birds with a spot of the back of the head being a dom pied itself, not split for dom pied... and some are saying that those birds with the spots on the back of the head could be split for recessive pied rather than an actual head spot dom pied. I hope that makes sense.

okay guys... I am tring to work out what snowhite and Prince babies will be i used this

Genetic Calculator

and i am sure i used it wrong cause it said Green/ino

What the Prince is Colbalt Blue has a little white spot on the back of his head

and she is Albino split blue ( can see the very faint blue on her back ) has red eyes

so how can this produce Green babies

 

Ally,The Rec Pie is Prince.Colbalt blue,white spot on back of head= blue/rec.

 

Small spot on back of head of a budgie,is amark to say split for recessive.

 

I breed Recessive pies.& when I breed Normals & spangles to Recessive Pie

the only splits I keep are the ones with the spot on the back of the head.

 

Anyway it dos`nt matter.Neat is only breeding for pretty birds. :feedbirds:

This is what I got when i used the generator:

 

% from all 1.0

25.0% 1.0 blue /ino (Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 1.0 blue /ino

25.0% 1.0 D blue /ino (Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 1.0 D blue /ino

% from all 0.1

25.0% 0.1 blue /(Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 0.1 blue

25.0% 0.1 D blue /(Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 0.1 D blue

 

I am assuming 'D Blue' stands for Cobalt or SF DF Blue....

Yes E.That is correct.Go to the head of the class.

ahhh okay I see what you Macka so- I think the confusion is that we are not thinking on the same terms.

 

It is not a recessive pied you are saying it is a normal split to recessive pied correct . A recessive pied is my Pretty in my signature.

 

I am saying it is a dominant pied (maybe a normal that is split to recessive pied).

 

How could you deciever the difference between a normal with a spot split to recessive vs a true dominant pied?

 

I have a dominant pied with a head spot that is Merlin my blue .

 

So much confusing huh .

okay guys... I am tring to work out what snowhite and Prince babies will be i used this

Genetic Calculator

and i am sure i used it wrong cause it said Green/ino

What the Prince is Colbalt Blue has a little white spot on the back of his head

and she is Albino split blue ( can see the very faint blue on her back ) has red eyes

so how can this produce Green babies

 

Ally,The Rec Pie is Prince.Colbalt blue,white spot on back of head= blue/rec.

 

Small spot on back of head of a budgie,is amark to say split for recessive.

 

I breed Recessive pies.& when I breed Normals & spangles to Recessive Pie

the only splits I keep are the ones with the spot on the back of the head.

 

Anyway it dos`nt matter.Neat is only breeding for pretty birds. :feedbirds:

 

 

okay okay okay okay - You lost me at hello... Prince has Like 3 white feathers at the back of his head smaller the the head of a thumb tack - so he is Split from Rec ....

These is crazy I am breeding for birds pretty or not hehehe

 

This is what I got when i used the generator:

 

% from all 1.0

25.0% 1.0 blue /ino (Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 1.0 blue /ino

25.0% 1.0 D blue /ino (Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 1.0 D blue /ino

% from all 0.1

25.0% 0.1 blue /(Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 0.1 blue

25.0% 0.1 D blue /(Dan)rec.pied

25.0% 0.1 D blue

 

I am assuming 'D Blue' stands for Cobalt or SF DF Blue....

 

WOW - I guess i will just wait to see if they hatch first hehehe

so no matter what i will have more blues

HeHee sometimes genetic talk can get a bit in depth. Elly and Macka it seems you to are confusing each other and basically stating the same thing in different words.