I was wondering what the diffrences between double factor spangles and Dark-Eyed Clears are??? I want to get a DFS since if i breed him or her to a normal i will get all sf spangle.... :budgiedance:

Edited May 17, 200718 yr by Marlony

DEC's have black/plum eyes like a Recessive Pied.

DF Spangle's have normal eyes with the silver iris.

 

Is that what you where after?

thanks ellulah. I never noticed that!! But do all dfs have an iris ring??

Unless they also have other mutations, then yes all DF Spangles have iris rings.

Edited May 13, 200718 yr by ellulah

thanks ellulah. So you you cant tell without looking at the eyes right?

Double Factor Spangle

 

general body colour Back, rump, breat flanks and underparts to be a solid and even shade throughout markings to be absent from all areas. wings corresponding to body colour eyes black with a white iris ring primary flightsapproaching full body colour body colour full intensity cocks cere blue colour buttercup yellow or white cheek patch silvery white tail feather approaching full body colour

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear

 

general body colour Back, rump, breat flanks and underparts to be a solid and even shade throughout markings to be absent from all areas. wings corresponding to body colour eyes dark with the absense of a white iris ring primary flightsapproaching body colour cocks cere flesh colour colour buttercup yellow or white cheek patch white tail feather approaching body colour

thanks ellulah. So you you cant tell without looking at the eyes right?

 

Dark eyed clears do not have an iris ring

Double factor spangles do have an iris ring

I have some pics of DF spangles but not DEC sorry.. But here are the DFS..

These guys are YFT2 DFS

Here are the boys growing up in the avairy..

 

 

Here is another one..No YF

Edited May 13, 200718 yr by Kaz

They are very light for DF spangles, usually DF spangles are a hot yellow colour. like this one:

 

 

 

 

 

They look almost as light as creaminos. Very interesting.

 

 

Feathers.

The difference between pet and show types. I have pet type DF spangle which are very pale and show types which are as Feathers says a bright gold type.

Amazing that there is such a huge difference, normally it is just size.

 

 

Feathers.

These guys are YFT2 DFS

Lady said they where yellow faces!

Maybe those birds have a dilute factor as well. ALSO I think the DF Spangles will only get the white iris as they mature & have their first moult. So you would have to wait till then for confirmation, if you don’t know their breeding.

These guys are YFT2 DFS

Lady said they where yellow faces!

 

 

Thats right they are Yellowfaces don't forget.. So they are a white bird with the yellow bleeding through..

 

They are not green ground DFS they are Blue..

These guys are YFT2 DFS

Lady said they where yellow faces!

 

 

Thats right they are Yellowfaces don't forget.. So they are a white bird with the yellow bleeding through..

 

They are not green ground DFS they are Blue..

 

So that's how they ended up pale?

Thats right..

Well to be exact they aren't paler they are yellower. If they weren't yellowfaces they would be white.

I understood that part, I just wondered how they got so pale. I didn't know a yellow face would bleed to the whole body.

 

So how would you get a pale lilac out of a violet bird? Or any colour really. Would you use the dilute factor that Norm was talking about?

There are four types of dilution: greywing, full-body-color greywing, clearwing, and dilute any one of those mutations added can dilute the violet gene to a softer paler color.

 

Greywing is when their wing markings are grey and their body color is 50% diluted. There is also a full body greywing where the wing markings are grey but the body is still a normal bright color.

 

Clearwing is when they have very light or no markings on their head, wings, but the body color is still bright, also known as whitewing.

 

Dilute gene is where the head and wing markings are very light and the body is 80% washed out.

This is Sugar, my DFS hen. When i got her she was young, i thought she was a DEC where she didnt have a ring... with time, that changed! (Laughing out loud)

 

thats interesting. SO you can only tell if a budgie is a dfs if you look at the contrast of the colour or the iris ring.

some people said dfs always have an iris ring, some siad after the first moult... now what is it???

Edited May 14, 200718 yr by Marlony

baby birds do not have an iris ring when they are born it is develops usually between the age of 6-12 months (4 months is usually the first molt). Some birds MAY get their iris rings early before their first molt I know Merlin did.

 

The statement is correct you can tell if the bird is a double factor spangle usually after their first molt because this is when their iris rings will start to appear (again SOME birds may get it before their first molt).

 

I hope clear is up .

thanks elly. that does clear it up!

you can also tell by the cere colour in males.

 

 

Feathers.

I'm surprised no one until now has brought up the cere colours.

 

Male Df spangles have the normal blue (grown up ) cere

Male DEC have the pink baby cere colour always.