Posted May 9, 200718 yr Zeuss, my DF spangle boy ( son of Melon and Jonas ) fell in love with Sophie ( a skyblue dominant pied girl ) and decided that making babies and having eggs in a coconut shell was a good idea in the main aviary. The coconut shell have been hanging for the younger ones to play in. I took them out and put them in a breeder cage with their eggs and life went on. Now they have three chicks hatched as some started in the coconut shell didnt work out. I always thought that DF spangle produce all spangles. So far they look dominant pieds like the mother. I guess time will tell. Parents in nest Zeuss in the aviary Sophie ( when a youngster ) and babies Edited June 19, 200718 yr by **KAZ**
May 9, 200718 yr Awwww they are so cute,but how could they not with such good looking parents.I can't wait to see them with more feathers.
May 9, 200718 yr Author Kaz,50% will be Spangle Dom Pie & 50% wil be Spangle. :book: Thanks Macka. I was a bit confused about this as I cannot as yet see any spangle markings.
May 9, 200718 yr spangle markings might be masked by the opaline gene at the moment, should know more they are the grown. Zeuss
May 9, 200718 yr I was thinking the same thing maybe they were masked or the spangle gene had not yet come through. Or he is not a double factor spangle but something else and his genes are being masked not sure if that is possible. Lets see what they look like when they feather up. Kaz you are correct they would be 100% Single Factor Spangle. Macka there are are 2 spangle genes genes and when you do the charting all 4 chances would get 1 Spangle gene so all would have 100% spangle. You would be correct if it was a Single Factor Spangle.
May 9, 200718 yr Yep DF X Normal = 100% Spangle, so you were right in that regard. The cock was obviously split opaline, so any opaline marked babies will be female, you could have some males split for opaline as well. Theoretically 50% will be dom pied also. Interesting, Kaz, the females will be dom pied opaline spangles or dom pied spangles or opaline spangles or spangles. The males will be dom pied spangles, dom pied spangles split opaline, spangles or spangles split opaline. Feathers.
May 9, 200718 yr Kaz, I definitely see opaline spangle in the first two baby. The blue showing on the wings are caused by the opaline and spangle genes together. If it was only opaline gene with dom pied gene, the blue that's showing now, should have more black still. The last cinnamon baby, I can't tell yet, but I'm assuming it'll look like the other two but cinnamon rather than black like them. Macka there are are 2 spangle genes genes and when you do the charting all 4 chances would get 1 Spangle gene so all would have 100% spangle. You would be correct if it was a Single Factor Spangle. Elly, I think Macka was saying that Kaz will get 50% spangle dom pied 50% spangle Which I think is the correct ratio if not taking Opaline into the equation. Yep DF X Normal = 100% Spangle, so you were right in that regard. The cock was obviously split opaline, so any opaline marked babies will be female, you could have some males split for opaline as well. Theoretically 50% will be dom pied also. Feathers, because the mother is an opaline, all baby boy that is not opaline will be split to opaline, and because the there are visual opaline, it means that the dad is of course like you said, split for opaline. So out of this clutch, you can get opaline cock and hen, also cock that is split for opaline, and non opaline hen. Edited May 9, 200718 yr by Cheeta
May 9, 200718 yr I need more coffee I am so sorry Macka you are CORRECT, Cheeta thank you for pointing that out. I hate when I do that and don't slow down and read better.
May 9, 200718 yr Author Well, I can get easily confused here. But I do know that Zeuss's parents were both spangles Melon Jonas ( who is split greywing and also seems to be split cinnamon ) so does the opaline come from Zeuss's mother ?
May 9, 200718 yr yes Zeuss would have gotten an opaline gene from his mother. But because he's DF spangle, he could be masking opaline (only possible if Jonas is split for opaline). then all babies between Zuess and Sophie will be opaline spangle. That's if He's masking opaline under the DF Spangle.
May 9, 200718 yr Author Jonas we know is split for greywing as he was Buddha's father also and buddha was a greywing. I now know Jonas is also split for cinnamon as he has produced 2 cinnamon spangle chicks before. Here are Jonas's brothers latest babies and Zeuss's cousins. Jonas's brother is a violet greywing cobalt spangle YF cobalt cinnamon spangle recessive ? greywing spangle recessive ? violet cinnamon spangle Edited May 16, 200718 yr by Kaz
May 9, 200718 yr Hi Kaz Zeuss and Sophie are beautiful!! Well, I can get easily confused here. But I do know that Zeuss's parents were both spangles Melon Jonas ( who is split greywing and also seems to be split cinnamon ) so does the opaline come from Zeuss's mother ? Oh my goodness Kaz! Melon is absolutely STUNNING!! What a gorgeous bird. I've never seen any colouring like that...(but I haven't seen a lot haha)
May 10, 200718 yr would it be like this (assuming df spangle and single factor dominant pied) 12.5 percent cinnamon single factor spangle hen 12.5 percent single factor spangle cock split to cinnamon 12.5 percent cinnamon double factor spangle hen 12.5 percent double factor spangle cock split to cinnamon 12.5 percent cinnamon single factor dominant pied hen 12.5 percent single factor dominant pied cock split to cinnamon 12.5 percent cinnamon double factor dominant pied hen 12.5 percent double factor dminant pied cock split to cinnamon and all should also be opaline Edited May 10, 200718 yr by Marlony
May 10, 200718 yr Hey Kaz... I am no good at the gene and color mutation thing We all know that (Laughing out loud) But what ever they all are... your Flock has BEAUTIFUL babies....
May 10, 200718 yr i love the colours and names .youve lost me on the gene thing with budgies .when i get time and take pics of my budgies can you all help me with the correct colour genes etc.
May 10, 200718 yr the bubs are so cute, and melon looks so colorful. the gene thing i did, i am not sure about because SInce you hav one sf dominant pied and one df spangle you might get spangle dominants so i am not to sure that what i did was right....
May 10, 200718 yr Marlony you won't get any DF spangles since the mother isn't a spangle and the dad only give one gene to each baby. As well you will not get DF dominant pied becuase only Sophie (the mum) is the parent with the gene and as a SF dominant give either a normal gene or pied gene to her bubs. The other parts look correct to me. As to the opaline gene Zuess is only Split for the gene and so there is a 50/50 chance of giving the gene to his offspring. The hen will only give the gene to her sons, if they don't get the gene from their dad they will only be split for it.
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