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I got a little surprise with one of my younguns today. It appears to be basically white [with a suffusion of blue] it has black eyes. I wonder if it’s a Dark Eyed Clear, but doesn’t seem to fit, with what it’s parents are. I have read about whites of light suffusion on UK sites, but I don’t know much about them. Could it be one of them?

 

THE MOTHER: Cobalt, cinnamon, I think Dominant pied or Clearflight.

Bred from a Cobalt, dominant pied hen or clearflight…paired to a Cinnamon, Grey Green/split Opaline cock…. they produced Cinnamon pied & Opaline Hens. Normal cocks & Normal pied cocks. In blues, greens, grey greens & greys.

 

THE FATHER: Opaline normal sky blue, white face [probably split to Recessive pied].

Bred from a Grey Opaline YF [maybe YF1] Hen..Not much suffusion of green in chest] mated to an YF2 Opaline normal sky blue/split recessive pied Cock. Parents of father produced YF1, YF2, white faced blues & recessive pieds. In blues & Greys. I don’t have any genetics further back as both lines bought from a pet shop.

Has anyone got any ideas please?

Picture here…

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s133/gr...itebudgie2a.png

I worked on the picture to make it clearer & it brought up the blue suffusion more than in the actual bird, it maybe easier to tell more when it gets older.

The dark-eyed clear is actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. When these two mutations are both present, the budgie is has no markings or color. It is either pure yellow (if it is a yellow-based budgie) or pure white (if it is a white-based budgie). The dark-eyed clear's dark eyes never lighten with age, hence the name.

You can tell a budgie is a dark-eyed clear because its eyes stay a dark plum color throughout its life.

 

 

So the mom gave the clearflight gene and the dad the recessive pied gene and with that combo that is how you got a Dark Eyed Clear.

 

The picture looks fuzzy to me and I am not best with babies feathering but that is how the genetics works :blink:.

The dark-eyed clear is actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. When these two mutations are both present, the budgie is has no markings or color. It is either pure yellow (if it is a yellow-based budgie) or pure white (if it is a white-based budgie). The dark-eyed clear's dark eyes never lighten with age, hence the name.

You can tell a budgie is a dark-eyed clear because its eyes stay a dark plum color throughout its life.

 

 

So the mom gave the clearflight gene and the dad the recessive pied gene and with that combo that is how you got a Dark Eyed Clear.

 

The picture looks fuzzy to me and I am not best with babies feathering but that is how the genetics works ;).

 

Wouldn't the mum need to be carrying recessive pied too?? :blink:

nope you don't need 2 recessive pied genes it is when 1 recessive pied gene combines with 1 clearflight gene = dark eyed clear mutation :blink:

 

2 recessive gene = recessive pied ;)

Oh! I didn't know they combined like that. Very interesting. :blink:

I thought they would both need to carry the recessive pied gene too. This is the breeding table for the Dark Eyed Clear

 

 

Clearflight (sf) x Recessive Pied

=50% Clearflight/Recessive Pied

+ 50% Normal/Recessive Pied

 

 

Clearflight (sf) split Recessive Pied x Recessive Pied

= 25% Recessive Pied

= 25% Normal/Recessive Pied

= 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied

= 25% Dark Eyed Clear

 

 

Clearflight (df) x Recessive Pied

=100% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear x Recessive Pied

= 50% Dark Eyed Clear

= 50% Recessive Pied

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Dark Eyed Clear (sf)

= 50% Dark Eyed Clear (sf)

= 25% Dark Eyed Clear (df)

= 25% Recessive Pied

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (df)

= 50% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied

= 50% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (df) split Recessive Pied

= 25% Dark Eyed Clear (sf)

= 25% Dark Eyed Clear (df)

= 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied

= 25% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied

 

 

Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (sf) split Recessive Pied

= 12.5% Dark Eyed Clear (df)

= 25% Dark Eyed Clear (sf)

= 12.5% Recessive Pied

= 12.5% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied

= 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied

= 12.5% Normal/Recessive Pied

 

 

[phew] No wonder a top breeder once adviced Kaz and I to steer clear of them :blink:

 

 

Feathers.

I don't believe so because it is 1 gene meeting another gene making the mutation know what I mean. Plus they could be carrying it we just don't know. Let's see what Nerwen says :(

If it is definately black eyes and not red eyes it has to be a Dark Eyed Clear.

 

There is only three white birds.

Albino - Red Eye.

DF Spangle - Black eye (but both parents must be spangle)

Dark Eyed Clear - Black eye (These parents have the make up)

 

...and yes feathers they worth staying a way from untill you sort out what you are doing. :(

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I agree with Feathers…My understanding from searching on the net & Ghalib Al-Nasser’s site is that unless one bird is a Dark Eyed Clear, you have to have a Clearflight [df]/recessive pied paired with a Recessive pied…or a Clearflight [sf]/Recessive pied paired with a Recessive Pied.

I’m not sure if the hen is a Clearflight or a dominant pied…she has some white flight feathers & a white tail, the dominant pied head spot & some pied on her chest, she could be a badly marked Clearflight, but lots of her brothers were much more pied & looked like Dominants, but of course they could be a combination of Dominant, Recessive & Clearflight. So both father & mother may be at least split for recessive pied so it might work like this…I guess I will have to wait to see if the baby gets iris rings to prove it.

Can we get a shot of the mum? I can see some markings on the wings of the bub and want to see if it's my imagination or shadows. (front and back would be good)

 

As to the DEC 1 recessive gene or 2 ? 2 makes sense but when i was first learning about the gene I always thought it was only 1 gene needed.

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when I have a chance I am going to read up more I thought as you did Nerwen but I am always open to learning :(

I just checked the budgie book I borrowed from work, the bird needs 2 copies of the recessive gene and at least one of dominant clear-flight pied.

feathers, where do you always get these mating tables

 

Through reading books and searching the internet. I have mating expectation tables for most varieties. Just looking through the link you were given, mine all agree with them.

 

I must admit to having a soft spot for genetics. It was my favourite science subject waaay back when I was at school.

 

Feathers.

I just checked the budgie book I borrowed from work, the bird needs 2 copies of the recessive gene and at least one of dominant clear-flight pied.

 

We learn something new everyday. Thank you for looking that up and hats of to you and feathers.

Feathers, that is how I was in school too loved genetics :P

I love genetics, we get to do it in advanced biology next semester!! Woo :P

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