I'm in love with that cinny baby.

i love them all - they are so cute.

 

I am assuming since the cinnamon wing is an opaline, she is female?

I think your right about the Opaline Cinnamon Sky Blue; in fact both Cinnamons will be hens. I think the youngest is also Cinnamon. The only complicating thing is Sebby, being a Fallow. I just read back through some of the previous stuff we have said about her, as I said before I have a cock Fallow, that looks exactly the same colour as her & as I’m not familiar with the dilution effect on colours with Fallows, I have never been sure if he was a Mauve or Cobalt. Also I think the browning of the wing markings is just because your bird & mine are both normals. But what I’m not sure of is, if they were Cinnamon Fallows, what would the wings look like. So that’s what I’m saying, if both our birds were Cinnamon Fallows, your young chicks could be both sexes, but I’m pretty sure she is just a Normal Fallow.

I think Sebby is a Mauve, and as far as I know, the fallow dilutes. I might be wrong, not sure. So we are assuming that because she is an opaline, and has cinnamon wings, she gets the opaline from her mum and the cinnamon form her Dad? Is that it? I am not sure how cinnamon works. Is it sex-linked like opaline?

 

i really hope the little one is a cinnamon. Question for you. See how one little one has gray fluff? that little one is going to be a blue normal. Is there any significance to the fact that the little one has white fluff?

she would get both the opaline and cinnamon gene from her dad

Like Elly says, the Opaline & Cinnamon probably both came from the father being split for Opaline & Cinnamon, they are both sex linked mutations. The father is the only one that can be split for sex linked mutations. If this is true they will both be females.

Like I said I’m not totally sure the colour of your fallow, but I think she probably isn’t Cinnamon, so she would have no effect on the cinnamon chicks colour.

 

I think different colours of the down, [fluff] depends on the colour of the mutation, mostly the lighter down, being lighter coloured birds. There could be different colour downs for each mutation, but I haven’t looked into it that much.

okay, so i can build up my breeding journals so i know what each would have.

 

Based on what you are saying, Dad is a sky blue split for cinnamon and slipt for opaline.

 

Mum is a fallow, so we do not know what she adds, but all the babies should be slipt for fallow.

 

Will some males be split for opaline or all?

Yes some male young could be split for both Cinnamon & Opaline, but apart from breeding them it will be impossible to tell which ones.

All your chicks are blue so that has come from both parents, the hen can only be masking some recessive traits, but we haven’t seen any evidence of that this batch & if she has any, the cock will have to have the same mutations otherwise it wont come out, but some chicks will carry any traits that are recessive, that either could have.

Yes all chicks will be split for Fallow.

Edited June 20, 200718 yr by Norm

The youngest little one is a cinnamon wing but she is not an opaline.

 

It is hard to get pics at the moment, as to do that I have to lift the nest box lid, and the eldest ones would simply fly out. When she emerges i will get pics of them all.

okay, still working on names and genders.

 

I know that the only one so far that has definitely been named is my little opaline cinnamon wing girl. I am calling her Kealani. It is a Hawaiian name and it means Clear heaven or white heaven. I think it suits her as I look at her and think she is a heavenly looking bird.

 

Any thoughts on the others? I am still trying to get a picture of the little cinnamon wing.

I went out to cover the breeding cages up and it seems the very little one I was wondering how I was going to get out of the nestbox to get a photo of had done me the service of jumping out and preparing for a shot.

 

So here we have her... I am guessing her, with her brother(?) huddling, then on her own.

 

I love the cinnamon wings.

 

 

I need another heavenly name, though I am not sure if it is going to be a boy or girl. I think girl.

Looks like a girl to me Dave

Well, Sebby was getting over aggressive to the little ones, so she has been seperated. Probably a good thing too for her to build her strength back up before she goers back in the aviary. i will try to get soem new photos.

 

Dad is a sky blue normal, but chicks are all cobalt, one femal is opaline so dad is split opaline, and 2 are cinnamons, so Dad is split there right?

Well, none of the young are the same colour as Dad. All the young had turned in bu this one, so I thought it was a good comparison shot - group shots scheduled for tomorrow.

 

yes for both the splits of opaline and cinnamon

cute babies

 

being that the dad is sky blue and the babies are cobalt leads me to think that your hen is a mauve in coloration carrying 2 dark factors (I can't remember if that was confirmed)

My hen is a fallow. I am not sure what she carries. the Fallow gene is recessive, so that means that she must have 2 fallow genes right? can a fallow carry other genes?

Fallows can carry any other Recessive gene the same as any other Budgie it’s only that Fallow is their visual gene & being a hen it can’t carry any sex linked trait unless it’s shown. Of course they can’t carry a Dominant trait. I think they can carry the dark factors too.

Like Elly said, that young YF is a Cobalt whereas Dad is a Sky Blue, but the Green infusion could come in later, as the bird gets it’s adult plumage. Your hen could be a Cobalt Fallow, as the colour is diluted by the Fallow gene.

Norm, I think you are mixing up posts.

 

There are no YF young in the fallow's offspring. She and her sky blue partner have bred 3 cobalt normals, 1 sky blue opaline cinnamon wing and one sky blue cinnamon wing.

 

i think sebby(mother) is a mauve fallow. the fallow seems to dilute the colour, where Romeo(father) is a sky blue that is split to opaline and split to cinnamon.

it still stand that you can have a fallow with one or two dark factors. Sebby has at least one to get the cobalt offspring.

My hen is a fallow. I am not sure what she carries. the Fallow gene is recessive, so that means that she must have 2 fallow genes right? can a fallow carry other genes?

 

yes she has 2 fallow genes to visually express this gene (for the general public don't get it mixed up with only needing 1 sex-linked gene to visually show in hens). Fallow is a recessive gene.

 

okay...as Nerwen said the fallow gene is probably diluting the mauve gene so she is carrying 2 dark factors as well which is why she would have a cobalt off spring. The dark factors are not mutations but added factors in the color of the bird. Kind of like adding say more paint to the mixture to make different colors. Hope that makes sense.

 

Fallows yes can carry other genes as well example you could have an opaline fallow. There are some genes that are on the same allele and some are not. If they are not that is how you get double or even triple mutations on one bird.

 

I think that was what you were asking yes?

Yes, thanks Elly. So without breeding her with another bird, there is no way to really know what genes Sebby is carrying. right?

I am moving the breeding cages, so I thought i would do some picture updates.

 

There are some group shots where you can notice the difference in blues, as well as a few individual shots.

 

Little Kalani growing up fast

 

Someone's sitting in my seat

 

Now there are 2 people in the road

 

Finally!!

 

Group shot - with one exception - look in the top right corner!

 

Better group shots

 

Let me out

 

Different blues

 

Mum Sebby has returned to the wild - well the aviary anyway

Great family and I love the mix of blues.

beautiful pics my favorite is the let me out and sitting on my head :budgiedance:

Hi Dave, great pics and a really beutiful family. The colours are lovely. I hope Mum is enjoying her rest.

 

 

Feathers.