Posted May 3, 200718 yr My second breeding pair at the moment are Romeo and Sebby. Much like my other post, I am not sure what will be produced, mainly because I am still not sure what Sebby counts as. Romeo is easily identified as a skye blue, as you can see from the shot below with him and Sebby, but Sebby I am not sure about. She looks more grey in the photos due to the flash, but she is more mauve in real life. Here is Sebby Maybe her colour is diluted as she is a greywing? Possible? Can you have a mauve, greywing spangle? Here they are together. Only one little egg so far, but I am sure more are to follow. Not sure what colours that young may be. Anyone want to help out?
May 3, 200718 yr Sebby is gorgeous!! I think she is a Greywing Cinnamon Violet spangle? From this pair you could expect normal Blues and Blue Spangles unless Romeo is split to any other genes. Edited May 3, 200718 yr by ellulah
May 3, 200718 yr I thought I had heard of one before? I dunno... maybe its not possible! I will do some research... What ever she is, its gorgeous!
May 3, 200718 yr She is beautifu and you can't have both cinnamon = brown wings and greywing = grey wings . I believe she is a dilute since her body and wings are all washed out. But then again I have issues with greywing vs dilute. My monitor as Kaz says need fixed (Laughing out loud). If her cheek patches are grey she is a grey, if she is a more grey blue she would be a mauve and if she looks more bluer then like a blue grey I would say violet. If dad is carrying the dilute OR the greywing gene you will have dilutes or greywings but if he is not they will be normals like him. All the babies will be blue unless of course she is a grey they you would have 50% chance blues and 50% change greys if she is a single factor grey. If she is a double factor grey you would have 100% greys. Violet if that is what she is will work as the same as grey 50/50 change of violets and normals if SF but if DF 100% violets. Mauve is a dark factor so if she is mauve she would be carrying 2 dark factors and your skyblue has none. Then there is of course anything they at they split for that can come up so if both are carrying the recessive pied gene you could have recessive pieds (this is an example). Also you never know what the male could be split for say for example opaline and you could have a an opaline which would be a female. Cinnamon is another one that the dad could be carrying and give to his hens. Any sex-linked gene that the dad is split for if it shows up those babies will be hens. I hope that helps .
May 3, 200718 yr Author Thanks for the kind words everyone. You are all right about one thing - Seby is gorgeous. her cheek patches are mauve/purple. Not really blue or grey. I suppose the dilution will affect these? her spots look pretty much brown. Does that make any difference? I look forward to what may come of these two. if I get another bird that looks like their mum, i will be very happy.
May 3, 200718 yr If her wing markings are brown she is a cinnamon not a greywing which means she will give the cinnamon gene to her males and they will be split but won't show it visually. If you get any cinnamons in the nest it would be because dad is split and they will be females. The washed out look could be from the cinnamon gene but because she is so washed out I am leaning toward her carrying the dilute gene too (we will see what others say), but if she is carrying the dilute gene again both the male will need to carry this gene too to get diluted babies. Purple can describe violet Mauve can describe mauve blue (Laughing out loud)...I am not going to comment on what type of blue since I have been told my moniter is much to be desired . To get get one to look like the mom this is what you will need 1. male needs to be split to blue 2. male needs to be carrying the cinnamon gene 3. if she is a dilute too male needs to carry the dilute gene these will be the factors you will need in a male to possibly get another one that looks like her . Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Elly
May 3, 200718 yr Author wow, thanks Elly. when you say all that Dad has to bring to the party, she seems even more special - (Laughing out loud)
May 3, 200718 yr I have saved the picture of Sebby and zoomed in for a closeup. Her spots are grey...on one side they may look a little brownish but it appears to be food stained. On the picture where she is alone on the branch she has grey spots. Also in doing the same with the other photo she has grey wing markings not cinnamon...and her tail feathers are also grey. A question....? What colour are her eyes as in these photos they are shining redddish. Did you use a flash ? I am wondering why her eyes appear reddish while the boy next to her in the other photo...his eyes are dark. Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Kaz
May 3, 200718 yr Kaz I see the plum eyes just in the regular photo that is interesting and to me she looked grey too. I am curious to hear the answer. If red, can you assume fallow?
May 3, 200718 yr Kaz I see the plum eyes just in the regular photo that is interesting and to me she looked grey too. I am curious to hear the answer. If red, can you assume fallow? If red eyes ...yes fallow. I have fallows and their tail feathers and flights are grey
May 3, 200718 yr are fallows grey though? I thought they had cinnamon markings? http://www3.sympatico.ca/davehansen/fallow.html Fallow Skyblue: Mask: white, ornamented by six evenly spaced large round brown throat spots, the outer two being partially covered at base by cheek patches. Cheek patches: violet. General body colour: back, rump, breast, flanks and underparts, pale Skyblue. Markings: on cheeks, back of head, neck and wings, medium brown on a white ground. Eyes: red or plum. Tail: long feathers, bluish grey
May 3, 200718 yr This is a greywing greywing also There are all kinds of fallows....some cinnamon others not. Here is one very definitely not cinnamon but grey spots I am not saying that the bird is a fallow but asking if the eyes are red so we can further work it out. Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Kaz
May 3, 200718 yr Not being difficult okay so I am (Laughing out loud)...do you have any good articles on the different types because the only ones I find explain them with brown spots That last ones looks like brown spots? Oh I know....love these mysteries huh
May 3, 200718 yr Not being difficult okay so I am lol...do you have any good articles on the different types because the only ones I find explain them with brown spots That last ones looks like brown spots? Oh I know....love these mysteries huh Link to a great fallow site http://www.geocities.com/fallowbudgies/gallery0.htm PS not brown spots...monitor needs further adjustment ... Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Kaz
May 3, 200718 yr http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/terry/fallow01.html I found this article that was linked from those pics anywhoo.... I am getting too deep
May 3, 200718 yr her spots look pretty much brown. Does that make any difference? Going by that and the original photos, I'm going to guess A fallow.. and my 'full' guess is... she's a mauve dilute fallow (which by the way was my original thought from when I first saw the picture before I read anything else). Not a spangle because it doesn't have the clear spangle tails, and also the flight feathers aren't clear either. Edit.. on second look, may be she isn't a dilute... may be it's the flash that makes her look so 'pale'. Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Cheeta
May 3, 200718 yr Author okay, I am awake - (Laughing out loud). And for the big question - yes, her eyes are red. I always wondered about that. It is not just the flash and on closer inspection, i do stand corrected, her throat spots are grey. I have never understood the whole fallow thing. What is it? okay, she does not have the spangle tail, as in clear, but she has an amzing amount of white on her wings. A grey wing is just the colour that changes, the amount of white versus the amount of grey shount not change should it? Here is another picture for comparison with her sitting next to a skye blue opaline She is a special bird
May 3, 200718 yr I would say she is a fallow but fallow being recessive to normal all your birds would be normals unless the dad is carrying the fallow gene. This will stand: Then there is of course anything they at they split for that can come up so if both are carrying the recessive pied gene you could have recessive pieds (this is an example). Also you never know what the male could be split for say for example opaline and you could have a an opaline which would be a female. Cinnamon is another one that the dad could be carrying and give to his hens. Any sex-linked gene that the dad is split for if it shows up those babies will be hens. all the boys will be split to fallow but will not be visual To get another one like her the male will need to be split to fallow and blue . Kaz...GREAT EYE!
May 4, 200718 yr all the boys will be split to fallow but will not be visual To get another one like her the male will need to be split to fallow and blue . I didn't think Fallow was a sex linked gene?? So if it's just a recessive gene, all babies, not just the boys will be split to fallow. of course if it's a recessive gene, rather than a sex linked genes.
May 4, 200718 yr Yes Fallow is recessive not sex linked so all the babies will be split for it. I think she is a violet fallow. With the spangle gene idea, the wings seem to have the markings. Does she have a white long tail feather under the grey one? Sometimes a fault can happen to give one coloured tail feather to spangles. Since she is set up for breeding you will know fore sure if a spangle appears in the nest :sad:
May 5, 200718 yr She is beautifu and you can't have both cinnamon = brown wings and greywing = grey wings . I knew I had seen it somewhere!! They are paintings and I don't know if they where painted from real live birds or not... Book is: BUDGERIGARS in colour Their Care and Breeding By A. Rutgers Cinnamon Greywing's (arn't they gorgeous?) With Sebby's red eyes though she definatley has some kind of Fallow...
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