Lutinos have no colour apart from all pure yellow. The fact that these babies ( the yellow ones ) started out with red-ish eyes that quickly turned dark indicates cinnamon. So it is likely your two yellows may be cinnamon spangles

PS they look terrific

Edited June 10, 200718 yr by **KAZ**

They are definitely grey-green spangles, maybe olive, not sure. One is starting to show the colours, and you can see the colours there in the tail. The other is soon to follow. Pics to come soon.

looking good

Sorry Dave I made a mistake I can see the body colour, now so no Lutinos. That oldest chick looks like a Grey Green as it has the black tail, Mum [the albino] must be masking Grey. The second chick I would say is a Spangle & that third, [the lightest] could be a Cinnamon Spangle as Kaz says, but I can’t see any colour in those wings at all, I’m wondering Recessive Pied…maybe both parents are split for Recessive Pied. It’s got a dark spot of colour on its body; we will have to wait a few more days.

Edited June 12, 200718 yr by Norm

I think that the 3rd chick looks just liek the second did at that age, so it would not surprise me if they were both grey-green spangles. Dad is a grey-green spangle, so they are following suit.

okay, I am rushing off to the state of origin, got free tickets at school, but i took some pics.

 

definitely 2 grey-green spangles, and a dark dark dark green. New pics below.

 

 

All very cute

I might be the only one reading thsi thread, but at least I know that I ahve an online update of my little ones' growth.

 

okay, so we determined the colours of them, or so we thought. We know that there is a grey green, with 2 grey factors in there to make him/her so dark. Right? Do we call that a DF grey-green?

I think he/she looks stunning with the darkness and the yellow face.

 

The second is a spangle like Dad Ozzy, but darker, so I am thinking it also has 2 dark factors. Do we call this a DF Grey green spangle?

 

The youngest is going to be like the the previous, but the question is this. When does it stop being a pangle and start being a clearwing?

 

Is it to do with tail feathers? The little one seems to have no wing markings, but lines on the head. Interesting.

Your dark baby is not a grey green no matter how dark. It appears to be YF or GF mauve ( mauves can be anything from a bluish hue to purple to steel blue to grey looking ) someone is hiding dark factors for that baby to appear in the nest I would say.

I have one also

started out looking like this

and now

Mum Angel is an albino, so she could be hiding genes right?

 

Dad could be split to mauve - hard to know.

Mum Angel is an albino, so she could be hiding genes right?

 

Dad could be split to mauve - hard to know.

Looks like it and Dad would be split to blue maybe ? Let the genetics buffs take a look

Edited June 17, 200718 yr by **KAZ**

Is it possible Dad is a Golden Face blue? Does he have any blue under his wings? If not Mum may be a DF YF/GF Albino.

The chicks look like Golden Faces Mauves to me...

 

I think the very clear winged chick is just and heavily marked spangle with very little pigment showing on the wings.

Edited June 17, 200718 yr by ellulah

mauve = 2 dark genes so a bird is not split to mauve

dark factors take into play what type of blue

 

skyblue = 0 dark factors

cobalt - 1 dark factor

mauve = 2 dark factors

 

 

 

in a green bird olive = 2 dark factors and since the dad is an olive he is carrying the 2 dark genes so I there are no dark factors being hidden?

 

The hen yes can be hiding dark factors since the ino gene erases the coloring of her body.

 

If they are 2 dark factors genes they are not considered a doublefactor blue it is just that the bird is carrying 2 dark factor genes.

 

Oh I missed this (Laughing out loud)

 

Angel will give the albino gene to her males so they will all be split for albino but won't show it visually.

 

All your birds will be greens unless your male is split for the blue gene. You need to blue genes from each parent to get blue babies. Albino is a blue based bird with the marking erased.

 

50% normals marked babies

50% spangles

 

The greens depends on how many dark factors or giving to the babies, your male is an olive so that means he is carrying 2 dark factors. We can't tell with the mom because her marking are erased.

 

Of course you have the chance of getting recessive genes coming together and a surprise in the nest. Along with you don't know if dad is split for any sex-linked genes so example if you get an opaline baby and it is a hen then that should show that the male is carring the opaline gene. With mom's marking not showing she could be carrying some sex-linked genes but because of the ino gene are not visible.

 

Keep us updated.

 

Here was my original post of what the outcomes where to be according to the parents.

Edited June 17, 200718 yr by Elly

What a gorgeous clutch - such variety. Lucky you!!!

okay here’s my 2 cents…I’m not sure about the Mauve thing, as I have seen what some say is Mauve on here & I thought Mauve was something different than that. My thoughts on the oldest chick & Kaz’s bird are that they are YF2 Grey Normals. I think if they were Mauve they would have to have some Blue, in their tails. Dave’s chick has a Yellowier face than Kaz’s & it’s younger, so it could be GF except that I can see Yellow bleed in the chest & tail. Kaz’s chick had a more Golden face when young; I thought they always moulted out darker not lighter; maybe it’s just the different photos.

The second chick…I can’t see a lot of its body colour, only the rump, it could be a Grey Green, but I think it’s also an YF2 ParBlue Spangle.

The third chick…the same an YF2 ParBlue Spangle, with poorly marked wings.

My reasons, for my ideas, like Ellulah says, I think Dad is a YF2, I have some Spangles that look like him & they’re what are known as ParBlue, like Ellulah says they have some blue under their wings & on the legs & are not Green series birds.

I’m going out on a limb here, I think that Mum is masking Grey, even YF, she would have to be paired with a Blue series bird later to confirm that. Those Spangle chicks could be Grey also, with Green bleed in the chests like their father. okay what do others think…interesting batch Dave.

My chick that looks grey....but is mauve...came from a nest where parents were....hen was a golden face DF violet and father was a YF violet opaline. So mine cannot be grey, can it ? :mellow:

Grey is expressed like this is how I read it.

 

In a white (blue) based bird the bird would be grey

In a yellow (green) based bird the bird would be green grey

 

Grey is not a hidden but is a factor that is added to the color of the bird just like violet.

 

 

greys have grey cheeks patches

mauves have blue cheek patches

 

I am not sure what the whole clutch is but what Norm is saying could be true that the albino is masking the grey gene therefore instead of giving a blue gene she in fact is giving a grey gene which would account for

 

grey

green/grey babies

 

 

 

Also I agree with that the dad could be a YF2, I read an article that sometimes these green birds will look like greens but when breed the real genetics come out.

 

So if that is the case you would get greys and blue and no greens.

 

 

 

so if you have a grey bird x blue bird you have 50% grey and 50% blues

 

I hope this is making sense as I am pulling it apart for my own understanding and yours too I hope

Wow - after all that I am not sure what I have - (Laughing out loud).

 

As they mature up I will keep up with the pics so we can see what they turn out like. So far I know we have 2 spangles and one with normal wing markings, but apart form that, i know less than i thought i knew before - (Laughing out loud).

Thanks for those facts Elly, I didn’t think down to such details like the colour of the cheek patches, we are all learning here [i hope]…After that I checked with the WBO colour standards & in fact Grey Green & Grey do have Grey cheek patches & black tails. And Mauves have Blue cheek patches & dark Blue tails. I copied Kaz’s adult bird & zoomed into it & it’s hard to say, but it’s cheek patches do look Grey more than Blue, but her baby picture of the same bird, looks sort of bluey grey, so hard to be sure. They were the only pictures showing the cheek patches clear enough to check. Look at your birds Dave & Kaz & see if the patches are blue or grey that seems to be the defining clue.

Norm, I looked at my little one today as I chased him/her around the garage. Damn slippery little thing - (Laughing out loud). Anyway, cheek patches are blue and it has a dark tale, so I am guessing it has to be a green with possibly one grey factor from Dad and one mauve factor from Mum. is that possible?

Angel has laid another egg. Not sure i am too keen on this idea just right now.

My chick that looks grey....but is mauve...came from a nest where parents were....hen was a golden face DF violet and father was a YF violet opaline. So mine cannot be grey, can it ? :mellow:

 

No if that's true about the parents, I don't think it could be Grey, as like Elly says I don't think it can be masked.

 

Dave the Dark Normal baby can’t have Grey from its Dad as if it had the Grey gene it would be a Grey Green, which it isn’t. The Grey must be coming from Mum the Albion, as all you can tell about an Albion is that it’s a Blue series birds [not Green] & Grey is in the Blue series, the only way you could tell for sure was to later mate it with a White faced Blue, then the Grey would show up, as long as the mate wasn’t Grey of course. If the young are Mauve as some have suggested, that could come from both Mum & Dad as Dad must even though you don’t think so from looking, be genetically a Yellow Faced bird, [blue] as to me all the young look like YF.

I looked at my Grey birds & Grey Green [at least ones I think are Grey ...(Laughing out loud)] after all this & they have Grey cheek patches, but the grey is a Bluey sort of Grey. We can only wait till they moult out later & that might help or someone else that’s good on genetics comes along & gives their opinion.

 

You don’t want to take any further batches from them at the moment do you? If that’s the case you will have to take the eggs away.

Edited June 20, 200718 yr by Norm

I am thinking of taking the eggs away. Might do it on the weekend. I think I need to get some marbles though. If I take the eggs away i figure I should replace them with Marbles, otherwise she is just going to keep laying. Right?

I am thinking of taking the eggs away. Might do it on the weekend. I think I need to get some marbles though. If I take the eggs away i figure I should replace them with Marbles, otherwise she is just going to keep laying. Right?

Take a couple at a time, boil them, cool and replace.

Tonight I had to spereate my golden faced mauve based (?) young one as she was getting atcked by her father. She is at the stage that she can fly well, but she is still working on her landings. I am hoping she can feed herself, but if she cannot, I am not sure what I can do. I will give her some food options tomorrow, and watch her thru the day.

 

Her siblings have not ventured out of the nest box and they do not appear to be in any danger. Should I leave them?

 

If I removed their mother, would dad stop being so over-protective and resume normal fatherly duties? How long do you leave your young before seperating them into fledgling cages?

 

Thoughts? Ideas?

Just watch the young bird Dave, sometimes I have removed them quite early & I have had no trouble, but usually I put them in with other birds, seeing them eat may help them. They often look very quite, but soon start to eat, very slowly at first, but usually in a few days they are eating well. Just watch the others, they may get attacked also, after they leave the nest, I had one cock that was like that. If you don’t want to breed this pair again straight away, you could remove the cock & leave the hen to finish the job. I did that with the pair that the cock was attacking the young, after they left the nest, I put them in an aviary with him, but he made no attempt to feed them, but they went okay.

Sometimes when the hen has laid eggs again, I have removed the young straight from the nest, without ever seeing them outside the nest & put them in an aviary with other birds & they went well, but each case is different. Some young I have separated couldn’t fly for more than one week after, so if your chick is flying I think it will be mature enough, as I feel that maturity is the important thing, once they reach a certain age, instinct tell them to eat.