Posted May 3, 200718 yr Well my first pair of breeders is away. Eventually I am going to breed larger budgies, but these guys were do determined to start a family, they had actually already laid 2 eggs in the husk catcher in my old aviary, so i thought they needed a real chance. Anyway, they have 4 eggs, and Angel has been doing a wonderful job of keeping them warm. I am not relly sure what to expect out of these 2. Angel is an albino. Ozzie is an olive spangle (sorry, old picture) here they are together i will get some pics as soon as I can, if and when any hatch. It is their first clutch (is it called a clutch?) and I am not sure if any eggs are fertile, so we shall see. (2nd clutch if you count the aviary). Angel has a real squawk if i even attempt to look in the nest box, so we will see how we go with pics. Any thoughts on offspring? Who knows if either parent has any hidden genes. Not I.
May 3, 200718 yr Best of Luck Dave Have you read this topic....Care of Baby Budgies in the Nest ? http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....topic=13358&hl= that way you can plan ahead. Re genetics...I am not the best at genetics so.... Elly, Cheeta, Nerwen where are you ?
May 3, 200718 yr What babies you will get all depends on what Ozzy is carrying! If we assume he is carrying nothing you will get all Greens and Green Spangles - but be prepared for some surprises! Very nice budgies, I hope their clutch goes well.
May 3, 200718 yr Oh I missed this (Laughing out loud) Angel will give the albino gene to her males so they will all be split for albino but won't show it visually. All your birds will be greens unless your male is split for the blue gene. You need to blue genes from each parent to get blue babies. Albino is a blue based bird with the marking erased. 50% normals marked babies 50% spangles The greens depends on how many dark factors or giving to the babies, your male is an olive so that means he is carrying 2 dark factors. We can't tell with the mom because her marking are erased. Of course you have the chance of getting recessive genes coming together and a surprise in the nest. Along with you don't know if dad is split for any sex-linked genes so example if you get an opaline baby and it is a hen then that should show that the male is carring the opaline gene. With mom's marking not showing she could be carrying some sex-linked genes but because of the ino gene are not visible. Keep us updated.
May 3, 200718 yr Author thanks for that post Kaz, it is always good to have extra info available, and that is wonderful. thanks ellulah and Elly for the info. So the ino's pretty much allow whatever Dad has to shine through - sort of like a blank slate? The suprises in the nest are the things that are always amazing.
May 3, 200718 yr not sure what you mean about ino? Since your female is an ino she will give it to her males because it is sex-linked to get an ino male both parents needs to be ino since he needs 2 ino genes from both parents. A female only needs one so if he is carrying the ino gene you could get some ino females (but again he has to be carrying the blue gene too to have ino). I do believe though if he is not carrying the blue gene but the ino gene and gives a green and a ino to a female she would then be a lutino (someone can correct me on that if I am wrong). If he is split for ino here are your chances: Males: 50% Ino 50% Normal Females: 50% Ino 50% Normal
May 4, 200718 yr Is he darken in real life than in the pictures? If not I would think he is only a dark green. (1 dark factor) (but again he has to be carrying the blue gene too to have ino). I believe Elly means he needs to have the blue gene too to have Albinos. If he does have the ino gene you could get lutino's (all yellow) Edited May 4, 200718 yr by Nerwen
May 4, 200718 yr Yep that is what I meant is that he can have lutino but only inos if he has the blue gene to give too :sad:
May 14, 200718 yr Author Well it has been about 17 days since the first egg was layed, so i am thinking that we make get some chicks appearing any day soon. I do think that they are a young pair, and I worry that the eggs may not be fertile. I did nto candle them, or mark them, as, well, in all honesty, I am a bit hesitant. I know that some of the experience breeders on here do that, but I am kind of worried I might harm the egg or something like that. Nothing I can do but wait now. Angel ahs layed a total of 7 eggs, and she has been sitting on them, keeping them nice and warm. Ozzy has been feeding her. They are getting seed, spinach, corn off the cob, their water has calcivet in it, and they have a cuttle fish which they gnaw on. They are both very healthy, so we will see if they were too young. It is effectively the first clutch for them - if you do not count the two eggs layed in the husk catcher in the aviary - so i am a bit nervous. I will keep you updated.
May 14, 200718 yr Sounds like it is getting to the serious end of the business. Good luck with having little baby budgies appear in the next couple of days. Feathers.
May 19, 200718 yr Author I knew these two were young going in, but since they made the effort to breed and lay eggs in the aviary, i thought the least I could do was to give them a nest box and more comfortable surroundings. It has been about 23 days since the first egg was laid, and i have this feeling that none of them are going to be fertile. At what point should I block off the nest box, take out the eggs? Should I leave the pair in the breeding cage, without access to the nest box, to allow them to recover strength before returning them to the aviary? how long do I wait? Angel has 7 eggs, so I have to wait to see if any hatch, but from laying the egg to hatching is meant to be 18 days right? Any help?
May 19, 200718 yr i "believe" it is 18 days from the start of incubation (hen sitting on eggs virtually all the time) ... i think you should allow about 3 weeks from the date the last egg was laid before removing them, i think the mating takes practse and its not uncommon to have some or all infertile eggs
May 19, 200718 yr Shine atorch on the eggs & you will be able to tell if they are fertile. The easy way to do it is have the eggs in a dark spot & shine the light though the eggs & if they are clear,remove them.I would pluck some feathers from the vent of both birds & let them have another goround.
May 19, 200718 yr Hi Dave, as Ains said, it takes 18 days from when the hen starts to sit on the eggs, so your first egg should be hatching about now. Leave the eggs until it is at least 25 days past the last one being laid. If they do have an infertile clutch I would probably do as norm has suggested. Trim around the vent of both birds and let them try for a second clutch. Feathers.
May 20, 200718 yr Author Newsflash - "Novice or first time breeders are more likely to overreact or worry than experienced professionals" A long headline, but one that I am sure is true. This morning, I uncovered my breeding pairs and looked in one of the nest boxes. The nest box of Angel and Ozzy. I saw a cracked egg off to the side, and as I had this thought in my head that the eggs were not fertilised, i figured that they must have accidentally cracked one egg when moving around the nest box. What if....? No, put that thought out of your mind. I went and took my dogs for a 1 1/2 hour walk. I came home and was tidying up and remembered that cracked egg. What if...? Well, I should have a look just to satisfy my own curiosity. I lifted the lid of the nest box ever so slightly. Ozzy scurried out, but Angel was not moving. There was the cracked open egg shell, but there was no fluid around it. Then I looked near Angel's feet, and in amongst the eggs was a little pink glob, moving back and forth - my first newborn!!! I am so happy. They are not infertile, which means that the other pair of Sebby and Romeo, who are the same age (bought from a pet shop so it is a bit of a guess at their age) may not be infertile. There is a great deal of happiness here. My birthday is on Wednesday and the birth of at least one little one, with hopefully more to follow, is the best present. I know that everyone wants photos, and I may get some in the future, but at the moment, i want the little family to get to know each other and not get stressed out by a big guy staring into their little sanctuary.
May 20, 200718 yr Newsflash - "Novice or first time breeders are more likely to overreact or worry than experienced professionals" A long headline, but one that I am sure is true. This morning, I uncovered my breeding pairs and looked in one of the nest boxes. The nest box of Angel and Ozzy. I saw a cracked egg off to the side, and as I had this thought in my head that the eggs were not fertilised, i figured that they must have accidentally cracked one egg when moving around the nest box. What if....? No, put that thought out of your mind. I went and took my dogs for a 1 1/2 hour walk. I came home and was tidying up and remembered that cracked egg. What if...? Well, I should have a look just to satisfy my own curiosity. I lifted the lid of the nest box ever so slightly. Ozzy scurried out, but Angel was not moving. There was the cracked open egg shell, but there was no fluid around it. Then I looked near Angel's feet, and in amongst the eggs was a little pink glob, moving back and forth - my first newborn!!! I am so happy. They are not infertile, which means that the other pair of Sebby and Romeo, who are the same age (bought from a pet shop so it is a bit of a guess at their age) may not be infertile. There is a great deal of happiness here. My birthday is on Wednesday and the birth of at least one little one, with hopefully more to follow, is the best present. I know that everyone wants photos, and I may get some in the future, but at the moment, i want the little family to get to know each other and not get stressed out by a big guy staring into their little sanctuary. Very cool
May 20, 200718 yr Author I have checked and mum Angel is proving to be good, although new at the job. When I looked in she was feeding her newborn and so all looks good.
May 20, 200718 yr Congratulations, Dave. Hopefully I will share your experience with my own first jelly bean in the next day or so Feathers.
May 22, 200718 yr Author A newborn hatched today, so now there are 2 in the nest box Edited May 22, 200718 yr by dmcminn
May 23, 200718 yr Author confirmed 3 in the nest box. It is hard to see at times as Angel is very protective. She stands her ground and defends her brood - she acts anything like an Angel - (Laughing out loud)
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