Hello everyone - I am looking for some help regarding the mutations of the parents of some of my new babies. The parents are:

 

Jaleh (Male)

 

and Gwen

 

Jaleh is visually a normal sky blue and Gwen is a type II yellowface albino (creamino). Gwen's eyes photographed dark in the picture, but they are definitely red. These birds had 4 babies in their first clutch, a normal sky blue type II yellowface, two sky blue opalines, and a sky blue type II yellowface dominant pied.

 

 

 

Can I assume from the babies that Jaleh is split to opaline and that Gwen's albinism is masking dominant pied (and possibly opaline)? And as for the babies, if Jaleh is split to opaline, then only females can be opaline and males will all be split to ino and half should also be split to opaline. If Gwen's albinism is also masking opaline, then both males and females can be opaline, with non opaline males being split to opaline and ino, and opaline males just being split to ino. Just writing this paragraph made my head hurt! Is my thinking correct or am I totally off base? Thanks for any help!

 

PAdoula

Edited April 25, 200718 yr by PAdoula

Jaleh is split to opaline: Yes

Gwen's albinism is masking dominant pied (and possibly opaline)? Opaline...is the opaline you have male if so the answer would be yes if not then you can't be quite sure because the male gave the opaline to his girl. (make sense) You don't have a dominant pied you have a recessive pied and gorgeous looks like my Pretty but with the yellow face gene. This means that both your parents are carrying the recessive pied gene.

 

If Jaleh is split to opaline: females are opaline and males are split to opaline (50% Male split for opaline (XXo) and 50% Female opaline (XoY)

 

Ino Geno: 50% Male split for ino (XXi) 50% Female normal (XY)

 

If Gwen's albinism is also masking opaline, then both males and females can be opaline - Yes

 

non opaline males being split to opaline and ino, and opaline males just being split to ino: They are both sex linked genes but I don't believe they are on the same allele so my thoughts is that one could be split to opaline and not get the ino gene and vs versa. So you could have a non opaline split to ino also.

 

Just writing this paragraph made my head hurt! Is my thinking correct or am I totally off base? Thanks for any help! ** (Laughing out loud) I know what you mean, lets see what others say too.

 

Yellowface Gene is dominant so all the babies would have yellow faces but I think your opaline is a whiteface? If so that means he is a double factor yellow face which makes his face a visual white he is not a true white face which is a recessive gene. Make sense? Does the dad have a white face I can't tell if so that means he must be a double factor yellowface too that is the only way you would get a white faced out of the clutch.

Edited April 25, 200718 yr by Elly

Yellowface Gene is dominant so all the babies would have yellow faces but I think your opaline is a whiteface? If so that means he is a double factor yellow face which makes his face a visual white he is not a true white face which is a recessive gene. Make sense? Does the dad have a white face I can't tell if so that means he must be a double factor yellowface too that is the only way you would get a white faced out of the clutch.

 

Elly, are you saying that the dad is a DF yellowface? Just want to make sure I understood what you meant.. I totally agree with everything else you said, just not quite sure if I got the above paragraph right.

The dad is just a normal white face skyblue I believe.. even with white face babies, it doesn't mean that the dad is DF YF, as the mum only SF YF, therefore, it must be carrying a true White face gene.. and if daddy is white face, there's a 25% chance of getting true white face babies...

 

Oh my head hurts too.. hehe

 

From the above clutch.. here's my thought...

 

Jaleh is split to Opaline, and recessive pied. May or may not be a DF yellowface.

 

Gwen being a creamino is harder to say whether she's split or she's masking the gene. She could very well be a recessive pied but are mask by the ino gene. if not, she'd be split for recessive pied.

 

All male babies will be split for ino.

 

Oh, in the last picture, the bird that's hanging off the bar with the back towards you, is that Jaleh? the dad? Or is it totally not related? if he's the dad, does have have a spot on the back of the head??

Yes that is what I was saying but you are right my head was getting confused they do havea a 25% chance of a white face in the clutch so yes the dad is just a normal (sorry about that).

Edited April 25, 200718 yr by Elly

it's all good.. just had to make sure I understood it right.

Ino Geno: 50% Male split for ino (XXi) 50% Female normal (XY)

 

non opaline males being split to opaline and ino, and opaline males just being split to ino: They are both sex linked genes but I don't believe they are on the same allele so my thoughts is that one could be split to opaline and not get the ino gene and vs versa. So you could have a non opaline split to ino also.

 

The mother (Ino) can only give an Ino gene to ALL her sons (this is her only X chromosome) meaning ALL males will be split Ino. The father is only split opaline and so some males may get the opaline gene (split) some will not.

 

Yellowface Gene is dominant so all the babies would have yellow faces but I think your opaline is a whiteface? If so that means he is a double factor yellow face which makes his face a visual white he is not a true white face which is a recessive gene. Make sense? Does the dad have a white face I can't tell if so that means he must be a double factor yellowface too that is the only way you would get a white faced out of the clutch.

Cheeta is right the hen is a SF yellowface and is carrying one normal Whiteface gene, which has paired with the farther normal white face gene to give some WF babies. The DF yellowface gene (showing as white face) is only for the type 1 yellowface gene.

Edited April 25, 200718 yr by Nerwen

Hi PAdoula, well, as it seems the genetics have been worked out, I will just say, I think they are all gorgeous. (I could have saved myself some time had I read all the responses before checking for myself what was said about the YF factor)

 

 

Feathers.

Oh, in the last picture, the bird that's hanging off the bar with the back towards you, is that Jaleh? the dad? Or is it totally not related? if he's the dad, does have have a spot on the back of the head??

 

This is my nursery cage so it also contains 5 babies from another pair. The sky blue baby with the head spot is from Aleta (lutino female) and Adynedd (cobalt blue, type II yellowface, opaline, dominant pied, clearflight).

 

This clutch produced (1) normal looking sky blue male with tiny head spot, (1) opaline dominant pied light green female, (1) opaline dominant pied dark green female, (1) cobalt blue dominant pied male, and (1)cobalt blue opaline female.

 

As far as the sky blue with the tiny head spot, I have read that it could mean dominant pied, split for recessive, or that sometimes spangles have them (I know that he isn't a spangle). Any thoughts on this?

 

Thanks!

PAdoula

 

 

 

[You don't have a dominant pied you have a recessive pied and gorgeous looks like my Pretty but with the yellow face gene. This means that both your parents are carrying the recessive pied gene.

 

Thanks for the great reply. When I first was trying to figure out this baby's mutation, I thought that it was a recessive pied because it looked so much like my Aolani (except for Aolani not being a yellowface):

 

But then I started to second guess myself, since I thought the odds of my normal looking male being split to recessive and my creamino hen either masking recessive pied or being split to recessive just weren't that great.

 

Warmly,

 

PAdoula

Edited April 26, 200718 yr by PAdoula

The small spot on the head I have read means a dominant pied (in tiels it does mean split to pied). Since one of the parents is a dominant pied I am going to say it is a dominant pied spot.