Hey all, Just updating you all on the trip from the vets....

She was lovely.....

But Chereeoke does have the onsets of PBFD I don't have the $$$ for confirmed diagnoise But she is 99% sure and has seen this case often to tell the signs. She showed me with his tail feather to where ( i thought his wing was hacked ) and there is no folicol this is why he runs and not flies. Only a couple of tail feathers and 1 wing feather no primaries, his wings are trying to grow but pinched off growth point and Adv not to breed him ( He found the nest box today )

Shayanne - Her overgrown beak... WELL that wasn't all.... NOT SCAELY FACE *few how everher Lower beak is as deformity congenital which is allowing the upper beak to over grow...........

 

THIS SUCKS i know I have had them for a few days but i am still crying over this, Hubby says they're just birds, But Hey.....

 

SO because the two of them were/ are sharing a cage she is bound it get it...

 

I have to clean out the Breeding cage they were in and THis is just bloody great....... But I just wanted to let you all know what the go is ... and THANKYOU, if it wasn't for this Forum I wouldn't have known to Quarrentine new birds and the rest of my flock would have it too..

So thanks guys,

I don't know what to do with them now I can't have them with / near my others Please any ideas, I am not one to make them dog food cause they are sick, but I might read up more on this...... THanks agin

......mate Time for a group hug. What to say. Obviously not what you wanted to hear and anyone of us would feel like you do, in the same position. These guys only have to be a twinkle in your eye for them to become a part of your family...whether they are with you for asecond, an hour, a day or more. You fall in love with them and they are yours for life in their forever home.

I can see you will do whatever you have to to maintain them and keep them apart of your family. Its looking like they may need to be your special indoors budgies. Anything we can help with...just ask.

 

Big hugs :angel1: Karen

I searched the site and didn't see any articles or posts that go into detail so I did a search Neat here is an article to read http://www.avianbiotech.com/Diseases/PBFD.htm it is an excellent article.

 

You have 2 options from how I see it if I was in your position.

1. Find a home that can provide an only bird home for the 2 birds

2. Keep them completely quarantined from your other birds for life and always wash your hands throughly with hot water and anti-bacterial soap before and after you are in contact with them.

 

You did a good thing but wanting to give them a good home and I know you will make a good decision based on the facts and your personal situation.

Thanks Elly & Kaz...

I found a site that was listed under french molt..... I can't believe that a breeder had these in a cage with all his other birds, from what I understand that it can be spread thru feather dust * Flapping their wings.

 

I think that They will be kept isolcated completly from the others, But I don't want to risk the chance of the not washing the hand the once , I will have to keep detol soap next to their cage this will remind me,

 

I was always a sucker for the "odd one" I will just make the rest of their stay more enjoyable and as good as it can get..... well at least we know now what to look for - cause over grown beaks can be a sign too but the "Hacked / backyard job" flight feathers is french molt.... so we can help others, and they will know what to look for..

Time for a group hug.

 

 

I'm in....

 

 

I was just going to say the same thing as Elly, and I said the other day, just make sure that you wash your hands after tending to these budgies. Especially if you tend to the other budgies afterwards.

 

I can't think of the brand name, but you can buy waterless disinfectant hand gel (in a pump bottle) from chemists. It may be an idea to keep a bottle near the cage you are going to keep these guys in.

 

I also have a couple of 'special needs' budgies, that I willingly took on. I lost one to a bad heart recently and the remaining 2 are my inside budgies that get extra cuddles. It seems heartbreaking now, but they so easily worm their way into your heart, you'll soon think less about the disease and more about giving them as great a life as possible.

 

 

Feathers.

 

 

edited to add the following............

 

 

 

found a site that was listed under french molt

 

and from a different thread..

 

I bought my 2 charity cases from a breeder and found out tonight that they have "french molt" PBFD

 

Was it an avian vet that you saw, and did she say it was French Moult (Polyomavirus) OR Psittacine Beak and Feather Disease (PBFD)?

 

These are two very different conditions.

 

Here is the Avian Biotech link Elly put up for PBFD:

http://www.avianbiotech.com/Diseases/Polyoma.htm

 

and this is the Avian Biotech link for French Moult:

http://www.avianbiotech.com/Diseases/Polyoma.htm

 

 

Feathers.

Edited April 17, 200718 yr by feathers

Hi neat,you are their angel as you have probably saved their lives.

Good luck!!! I aso bought Zai who has french moult as I thought the pet shop would put it down as no one would buy it.Still have her and I am glad I bought her.

Sorry....Was in a state last night... She looked at him and said it could be french molt... then after plucking feathers she said it is Beak and Feather.... When i got home i was reading up on both French molt and pbfd and I was have been so BLAH from it all but it is pbfd.......

Edited April 17, 200718 yr by Neat

Neat I'm sorry to hear this, from the other thread none of us thought it would be this bad Hugs to you.

so we can help others, and they will know what to look for.

That's the way to think

Nerwen We are all here to help one another and I guess this is one...

 

More info on pBFD......

 

Chereeoke this fits him to a tea his beak, blood within the shaft ( hence why i thought his wing was hacked )

 

Young birds are affected by an acute form of PBFD, which occurs during their first feather formation, after replacement of down feathers. The developing feathers often fracture, bleed or fall out. Young birds may die following a short period of anorexia (loss of appetite), depression and diarrhea, with very little feather abnormality.

 

Older birds are thought to develop a chronic form in which dystrophic feathers stop growing shortly after emerging from the follicles. The feathers become increasingly abnormal with each successive molt. Contour feathers are usually affected early, while primary feathers are affected later in the disease. Contour feathers often are lost over most of the body. New feathers may have retained feather sheaths, blood within the shafts, are curled and deformed, or are short and clubbed. The beak may also be involved in the disease process. It may change from a dull black to a glossy appearance. It may grow abnormally long and develop splits and cracks which break and peel. Bacteria and fungi often invade the abnormal beak, causing further destruction and necrosis (death) of the tissues. The abnormal beaks often make it difficult for the bird to eat as it may be very painful....

 

and Shyannes beak was just breaking away when the vet cut it.....

I like your attitude, posting info so others are more aware of it. As Nerwen said "That's the way to think" At least knowing which of the two it is you can learn how to appropriately deal with it.

 

and Shyannes beak was just breaking away when the vet cut it.....

 

Poor baby Well, at the very least, they have each other, so life in quarantine won't be so bad.

 

 

Feathers.

Oh dear! Thank goodness you are taking care of them as best you can, bless you. :angel1:

I spoke tot he breeder today and advised him of what the vet has said, it was willing to reminburs me the vet cost and said that he would take them back and refund me, i told no I just wanted to let you know as they came from you......

 

Their cage has to be kept spotless My next door neighbour gave me stuff to clean the Breeding cage out with so that was a good thing, and no stress as this can flare it up. so these poor bubbas are quarantine for life, so free flights are over, ...

This is such sad news and I'm really sorry to hear this. It doesn't matter how long you have birds for, to me the minute you see them in the shop its love at first sight.

 

I have a special budgie who had/has a reoccurring pssitacosis and was advised by my vet even after her meds she should be quarintined just to be safe. Sadly she lives a happy but solitary life. It make me sad to think that she is all alone but I don't know what else to do. She has her toys and her mirror and tweets away happily. It still hurts me.

 

Its tough but they are heaps better off with you. They are lucky to have someone who cares and who will love them. :hap: