When I bred budgies, when I was young, there were birds called black-eyed yellows. Does anyone know if anyone breeds them now, I would like to get some, hopefully I can get some, not too far away from my area.

I know since I have started on this forum that there are now DEC, bred from pieds & double factor spangles, but these were yellow birds with black eyes, I have got a black eyed white & some birds bred from a black eyed white cock, mated with a spangle, I thought maybe I could breed them into the yellow series birds & get them from that, but I’m not sure what these black eyed whites are genetically. Has anyone got any ideas thanks?

 

To get a yellow series bird you need to breed with a yellow series since green (yellow) is dominant over the blue series (white birds). If you always use 2 blue (white based) birds you will always get blue (white based birds).

 

So if you are looking for a yellow DEC you need to start in the green series line and work from there.

 

Does that make sense?

 

DEC is not a combo of a spangle but a clearflight pied and recessive pied genes http://www.budgieplace.com/c_dec.html

 

A double factor spangle is a budgie with 2 Spangle genes not just 1 which results in the single factor spangle and you can see the spangle markings.

 

If you are looking to get yellow DEC you will need to be using yellow (green based) birds that are either visually a clearflight or recessive pied or both or are carrying these genes. Both of clearflight and recessive pied are recessive genes so both birds need to be carrying to have a DEC.

 

Here is truley a better explanation then I can give with charts http://www.budgieplace.com/gen_dec.html

There are two forms of all yellow or all white birds with black eyes, there are DEC (Dark eyed Clear) As Elly said they are a mix of the two pied genes not spangles. OR there are DF spangles also known as Black eye Clears.

 

They way you SHOULD be able to tell which one you have is iris rings, the DEC don't have them while DF spangles do. I state Should becuase there have been some exceptions to this rule.

 

If you already have a DEC (Dark eyed Clear) bird match it to a Recessive pied in the green line (it would be best not split blue) to get some yellow DEC.

Edited March 30, 200718 yr by Nerwen

There are two forms of all yellow or all white birds with black eyes, there are DEC (Dark eyed Clear) As Elly said they are a mix of the two pied genes not spangles. OR there are DF spangles also known as Black eye Clears.

 

They way you SHOULD be able to tell which one you have is iris rings, the DEC don't have them while DF spangles do. I state Should becuase there have been some exceptions to this rule.

 

If you already have a DEC (Dark eyed Clear) bird match it to a Recessive pied in the green line (it would be best not split blue) to get some yellow DEC.

 

Thanks Nerwen...I know about these birds, from Pieds & DF spangles, but I was wondering if anyone had or knew of yellows with black eyes, not the plum eyes like these birds. Maybe the birds I knew when I was young [a long time ago] were like these & I didn't take enough close notice of them, but they seemed like they had actual black eyes. just like normal greens & blues. I must look at the white cock's eyes closer, as he appears to have the pinkish blue cere not the true blue, so he may be a DEC.

Edited March 30, 200718 yr by Norm

Sounds like you are describing a DEC because they don't get an iris ring and the cere stays pink.

and the plum of the eyes would be from the recessive pied gene.

 

I also forgot about the cere differance in my last post. DE have th pink cere while DF spangles have blue. (males only)

 

yellows with black eyes

A green bird (DEC or Df spangle) will be all yellow with the black eyes.