Any ideas about this baby budgie ( still in the nest )............of parents Custard and Pudding.

 

 

 

 

 

as you can see it seems to have both a normal wing pattern and a spangle wing pattern at the top. Body colour is grey green.

Dad

 

and with Pudding

 

 

What a unique looking bird! Is it a mealinistic spangle?

What a unique looking bird! Is it a mealinistic spangle?

 

:sad: I have no idea what it is ? :ausb:

Very odd and cute - opaline, cinnamon melanistic spangle (maybe) I really don't know -doesn't quite look like the melanistics that Daz and Nerwen have. I like the tail and coloring.

 

Even stranger is that the baby looks green -- but the parents look yellowface and blue

Edited March 19, 200718 yr by HurdyBirdy

Very odd and cute - opaline, cinnamon melanistic spangle (maybe) I really don't know -doesn't quite look like the melanistics that Daz and Nerwen have. I like the tail and coloring.

 

Even stranger is that the baby looks green -- but the parents look yellowface and blue

 

Custard is a YF grey cinnamon dom pied. He could be a YF grey green cinnamon pied. Its hard to say what shade of grey or grey green he is as the cinnamon is muting his colour.

the M. Spangle is when it it is spangle and goes to normal with the spangle tail I think this is reverse.

 

I am saying opaline spangle and cinnamon :glare:

New photos

 

 

 

I think the odd shell markings are due to the opaline gene. She reminds me of my Blossom and Mystery (the twins). That was one way I could tell them apart, was the size of the black on the shell feathers. If you look at Mystery here, you can see they are small on top and normal-sized on bottom (this was before her first molt too). She had a well-marked V area, and so does your little one. Maybe it is just part of the gene?

 

 

that was my thoughts too Anne :glare:

She is definately a spangle opaline grey green but there is something else there, but I am not quick to say Melanistic. MS usually don't show until after their first moult. They do have the spangle White tail in the nest. The DF Melanistic Spnagle showes in the nest but he can't be that because you need to pair two melanistics SF to get a DF.

 

Rainbow is probibly right with the opaline causing the strange wing markings, but it is definately a spangle. There must be a gene there somewhere. Being a Dominant they can't be split to Spangle... But then where did the first spangle come from?????

Edited March 19, 200718 yr by Daz

She (?) is a beauty -- is the mother violet? There appears to be some violet shading near the baby's tail.

I don't think she is spangle. Her flights look normal to me, and so do the shell markings. I don't see any reversal.

When I first saw this baby, I originally thought like Rainbow that it is the opaline genes that's creating that effect. but then I thought somemore... and had a look at the pics again... comparing to Blossom or Mystery, their tails are solid back, where as the little baby's isn't! Wouldn't that suggest more than Opaline? unless of course this baby is dom pied as well.

 

And also I am with hurdybirdy... I would have imagine that the dad is a yellowface rather than a greygreen simply because I have never seen such a pastelly pale yellow on an actual green series bird, even with a dilute genes, I wouldn't think that it was that pale that's all. I'm wondering if it was an adopted egg?

 

And also for it to be a spangle at all, there need to be at least one spangle parents, and in this case if the egg/baby is custard and pudding's, then I can't imagine it being a spangle as there's no gene to pass down from.

 

Just thinking back to another post, could this baby be a brownwing?? just a thought that came to me.. probably very unlikely though.. hehe

She (?) is a beauty -- is the mother violet? There appears to be some violet shading near the baby's tail.

Female YES and mum is a violet

 

When I first saw this baby, I originally thought like Rainbow that it is the opaline genes that's creating that effect. but then I thought somemore... and had a look at the pics again... comparing to Blossom or Mystery, their tails are solid back, where as the little baby's isn't! Wouldn't that suggest more than Opaline? unless of course this baby is dom pied as well.

 

And also I am with hurdybirdy... I would have imagine that the dad is a yellowface rather than a greygreen simply because I have never seen such a pastelly pale yellow on an actual green series bird, even with a dilute genes, I wouldn't think that it was that pale that's all. I'm wondering if it was an adopted egg?

 

And also for it to be a spangle at all, there need to be at least one spangle parents, and in this case if the egg/baby is custard and pudding's, then I can't imagine it being a spangle as there's no gene to pass down from.

 

Just thinking back to another post, could this baby be a brownwing?? just a thought that came to me.. probably very unlikely though.. hehe

 

Just bringing up a photo of Bubbles who was a YF grey green dom pied ( but normal )

unrelated bird by the way

Custard

I think the cinnamon that Custard is, is making his greygreen paler, so initially he appears grey not grey green, but I checked him out earlier and I feel he is very much a greygreen dom pied like Bubbles but paler as he is cinnamon too. Another baby from the nest is this green cinnamon ( on the right, also theirs )

 

as with rainbow saying the wing pattern looks normal and not spangle....the brown is NOT the edge of the feather like a spangles would be so wing pattern "normal" but looks kinda spangled.

 

 

Budgies are full of surprises !!

Edited March 19, 200718 yr by Bubbles

 

 

:offtopic: Wow hold on a minute. Is that a recent photo of the Cinnamon Lt Green Cock? What a lovey chick. Kaz watch that one. Has he got your ring on?

 

 

 

:offtopic: Wow hold on a minute. Is that a recent photo of the Cinnamon Lt Green Cock? What a lovey chick. Kaz watch that one. Has he got your ring on?

 

:hap: Yes Daz, it has a ring on. And its only 3-4 weeks old

He has a very large head. Might have to call him BOOF-HEAD ...............

 

Here is another sibling

 

 

 

we also have a yellow face grey and a grey normal from this pairing.

Edited March 19, 200718 yr by Bubbles

okay you are a way. They are very good chicks. Are the pair down for another round or is that their second?

okay you are a way. They are very good chicks. Are the pair down for another round or is that their second?

 

First round of chicks and Mum is scraping the nestbox today in preparation for more babies

I'm at a lost here... sorry Kaz..... If Custard is a Greygreen, there's no way you are going to get blue babies, since being grey green means that he can't be split for blue.. and since blue is recessive you need to have two blue genes to get blue babies... and of course.. to get green babies, you need to have green gene, and if he was a grey only that's not possible to get green babies.

 

I'm doing myself in here.. hehehe.. I'm sure it's simpler..

 

And oh another thing, if you have a look closer to a spangle marking, the black isn't on the edge.. all their wing feathers still have white edges. just a fine black/cinnamon marking instead of a thick one.

Solution..... :hap:

cinnamon green babies were adopted eggs !! Have just checked records. :offtopic: Cinnamon green babies belong to Sampson and Delilah.

Thats why you have to keep records. :offtopic:

I'm thinking back to my first thought on this and that the opaline gene is masking out the markings on the wings. In the last two (three?) pictures I can see th v mark of opaline in the back in the body colour.

 

On a side note - yellowface type 2 grey might end up looking like grey-greens becuase of the bleed though but they are still of the blue line.

Either way, she is a pretty baby budgie and looking for a name. Fledging soon. Mum wants her nest back.

After looking at pics of Mika in the other thread, I do believe that like Nerwen said, it is caused by the opaline gene. Mika has the same sort of marking on her.

"If Custard is a Greygreen, there's no way you are going to get blue babies, since being grey green means that he can't be split for blue.. and since blue is recessive you need to have two blue genes to get blue babies... and of course.. to get green babies, you need to have green gene, and if he was a grey only that's not possible to get green babies."

 

why cant a grey-green be split for blue, as blue is a recessive gene it means any thing can be split blue.

also isn't gery a dominant colour, so if you put 2 greys together you can still get green as it depends on the parents of the grey,

cause it is dominant they can be sf or df

so if you put 2 sf's together you can get green, grey sf, grey df,