Hi;

I've got some budgies that I've had for a while and I don't know what mutations they have.

 

Lee

 

 

Frost. She has a pink band on her leg. (?)

 

 

Missy

 

 

and Xavier

 

 

This is Xavier's back

 

 

Missy and Xavier are bonded and so are Lee and Frost.

 

We've put 2 nesting boxes in the aviary in hope that they will breed.

 

Thanks,

Sammi

Hi Sammi,

I am going to make a guess on your budgies' color/type. Please be informed that I am a beginner and that these are just guesses. Someone with real knowlege will come along soon and give you the real answers.

Okay Here goes (don't laugh too hard you guys!)

Lee looks like a light green dominant pied spangle.

Frost is a hard one for me but I will guess that she is a double factor dominant pied cinnamon?

My guess for Missy is revessive pied clear flight opaline.

Xavier I am a little more confident that he is a yellowface II opaline.

I hope a real pro will come by soon to correct my guesses. I know one thing is for sure, they are beautiful birds. Good luck,

Shell

Lee is actually light green not dark green it just looks like that nyos.

Lee I agree with Shell Green Spangle Dominant Pied

 

Does Frost have Iris Rings? If so she would be a dominant pied but I am leaning toward recessive cinnamon pied. If she was a double factor she wouldn't have as many patches they tend to have less coloring. Also is Frost a light blue or grey it looks from the picture she is. Like diluted. If blue it looks like diluted mauved if grey then diluted grey. The cinnamon gene can tend to wash out the coloring.

 

Missy is a recessive pied unless she is displaying iris rings then she could be a double factor pied.

 

Xavier: YellowFace Type 2 (this is where the yellow face bleeds into the body, wings and tail area) Opaline could be Cobalt but may be a Violet his cheek patches are very dark and his tail is very blue but it could be the picture.

 

Those are my answers.

Edited November 15, 200618 yr by lovey

here's my opinions..

 

Lee is a green spangle (the spot I'm assuming is a spangle spot) Sammi, does Lee have any other yellow patches on the body where the green is?

 

Frost is a grey cinnamon recessive pied. (the cheek patch isn't blue so it can't be mauve) and I think the tail looks more like a diluted black (grey).. oh the leg band, it could a show breeder band, but it could just be someone that put it on to keep track of the baby.

 

Missy is a green recessive pied

 

Xavier is a YF 2 cobalt opaline. Cheek patches are quite dark like Lovey mentioned, so it could be a violet, but then again, it could just be my monitor as well. :hap:

 

Cheers

Cheeta...

 

Lee I was thinking the same thing if it was just the spangle gene and not dominant so if he doesn't have any banding or if there is a better picture of his back I am likely to change my mind and agree with you .

 

Frost I think it is my monitor between grey and mauve again, I was thinking the grey myself very pretty indeed since I have only seen typical white/blue or green/yellow but I don't think I have ever seen on the boards where they whole body is hued to a grey or blue. Usually the blue recessives have a white body with the splash of blue between their legs. Get what I am saying (Laughing out loud)? Even in Bubbles birds I don't think I have see a grey full body recessive pied and diluted on top of that. Have you?

well, it is a cinnamon, so that would cause the dilution on the body colour... as with almost a 'full body suit' of body colour, yes I've seen recessive pied that has a lot of body colour with little white or yellow. Obviously whether the body colour is blue, grey or green it doesn't matter as it is only the colour dominants.. however the patches in recessive can be very very varied from almost no body colour to a lot of body colour.

 

I think Bea has a bird that has a lot of body colour with lots of wing patterns. My Chase has a fair bit of body colour on her, with lots of wing patterns, and she comes from a pair of receissive pied, and also she doesn't have iris rings. I'm not sure how to explain it, but when I see that little bird (Frost) I Think recessive, just like Chase when I saw her.

 

Sammi... may be you can post a picture of Frost frontal shot so we can have a look at what her front looks like.

Edited November 15, 200618 yr by Cheeta

Yes I remember Chase and the discussion we had about her do you mind posting a picture of her for me to see. I remember the wing pattern very uniformed compared to the splotchness which was the huge discussion about her being recessive or dominant.

 

Nature will throw us some surprised they are fun.

Chase has white patch on the 'crop' area... with patches of mauve around the neck area and under the wings as well...

 

Chase flying... it shows the mauve under her wings as well...

 

Chase on her back...

 

Chase side

 

Chase with Blondie... the differences between the two siblings in their body colours....

 

and last a picture of Chase's back for the wing patterns...

 

Oh sorry, I know you said one picture of chase for you to see, but I thought I'd show the whole 'aspect' of Chase.

Edited November 15, 200618 yr by Cheeta

Gosh I forgot how beautiful she was - OFF TOPIC how is Goofy?

I think with Frosy what threw me off was that the color is even more uniformed around the neck and back area Chase has it more white like a recessive pied. Blond must come and stay (Laughing out loud) I am still looking for a YF 2 recessive pied (not too hard though because right know we are at our limit of pets) but I love those YF's blues.

 

By the way excellent flying pics Cheeta you always take great pics. You need to spoil us with updated pics of your flock.

 

SORRY off topic (Laughing out loud).

yeah I was looking at the picture again after posting Chase's pics... I was wondering if it's possible to have opaline gene in a recessive pied pied... that may possibly (if it's possible at all) put the grey colour where the opaline usually colour up on the back of the neck and around the side as well. It's just that the head barring on Frost kinda remind me of of an Opaline bird.

 

You're right, Chase has that white patch which does make it a lot more recessive looking. :hap:

 

OT... Goofy is going great.. he's doing the jiggy with my little fatty Lemon (who is on the diet - she still has about 5 grams to loose).

Oh yes Blondie... Karen wants her back as well... I was thinking about returning her, but then she is now so very bonded to one of my boys, I can't bare to split those two up.. :hap:

and I'll see to getting some pics up soon.. I'll be taking some pics tomorrow out in the aviary... I have six brand new quail babies fluff ball running around the aviary, so I'll be out there with my camera. :fear

Great minds think alike I was thinking opaline too on Frosty because of the barring then I shook myself of the idea. I don't see why not it is sex-linked right not on the same gene strand.

 

Oh tell Karen (Laughing out loud) to get herself a new Blonde just joking Karen I couldn't part with her.

 

Will be waiting for those pics.

yes you're right, sex-linked gene uses a totally different gene strand.. so I guess it would be possible.

 

may be a clear back picture or two of Frost may help. and also a picture of the front as well would help tremendously.

Thanks very much for your help everybody.

As far as I can tell Frost and Missy don't have Iris rings.

Lee has a yellow patch on the back of his head.

I've put a picture of Lee's back in.

 

 

 

Will it be good if these rwo breed? They seem to be very fond of each other.

 

I wish Frost was as quiet as Chase but we got her when she was a bit older and she's really scared of hands from the pet shop lady being a bit rough with her.

Thanks again everybody.

Edited November 16, 200618 yr by Sammi

I would have said Chase was dominant pied. The flights look like a variegated pieds, and the shell markings are not that sporadic. I just love that picture of her laying down in the palm of your hand!!!!! She is such a beautiful color too.

Do you know how old your budgies are? They should be at least 12 months and many breeders will wait until they are 15 months. Though they can breed earlier you will find you will have more eggs fertile, stronger chick and the parents are mentally ready.

 

I don't know if this is your first time breeding but I would take a while to read, research, join a bird club and more before getting started to learn everything you can.

 

As for are they a good pair? What do you mean?

 

For Lee I am going to take out the pied and just say Spangle as Cheeta did because he doesn't have any banding and the spot is most likely from the spangle gene.

 

As for Frosty I would love if more experts on mutation would put in their opinion because from the front he looks dominant but the back he looks recessive and he doesn't have his iris rings.

 

Rainbow, Chase is the crazy one (Laughing out loud) his parents are both recessive pieds as Bubbles aka had breed them interesting huh?

I know lovey, my feeble mind just has a hard time with it, that's all! LOL

Edited November 16, 200618 yr by Rainbow

Oh I know Rainbow I just REFUSE to believe it untll she flys Chase and Blondie to my house to live and I can see first hand

Sammi, if there's no iris rings then they would be recessive pied, but like Lovey asked, do you know how old your birds are? this would help. Also do you have a picture of Frost back? I'd like to see if Frost has opaline in there somewhere.

 

Rainbow, yes Chase does have the dom pied look. :fear but definitely a recessive. She is now more bluey mauve, rather that that 'greyish' mauve since she molted a few months ago.

 

Lovey, I'll just pack them up in a flat pack and send them your way..... :hap: Kidding..

Hi everybody;

 

Here's 2 photos of Frosts back.

Her back looks grey to me.

I don't know how old Frost is but the pet shop lady thought that she was about 12 months old.

 

This is off topic too but on thursday night this Willie Wagtail nest fell off the shed rafter and onto the concrete floor.

Dad found it and the babys were really cold so I had to warm them up in my hands while dad tied the nest back up to the rafter.

There were three babys but one died.

The mother didn't come back to the nest for hours so dad put a heater on in the shed to keep these two warm until she did.

They're really cute.

 

Sammi.

Edited November 18, 200618 yr by Sammi

With no isis rings she would be a ressive pied. The wing markings look brown to me in the pictures which is why cheeta said cinnamon. She also looks spangle to me.

yes I was wondering about the spangling on the wings. I wonder if she is a spangle with very thick marking on the wings instead of the pencil line marking.. .

 

oh the willy wagtail babies are cute. :ausb:

I agree with the Spangling too interesting.

How are the wagtail babies doing? Did the mom return? by the way I have never heard of that type of bird don't know if we have them here in the US.

They are like a little wren Lovey (can't recall if they are part of the same family or not)

Now we have those, thank you Nerwen