On my monitor they looked different too! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!!! (Laughing out loud)!

 

Another one please Nerwen!!!!!

Just curious... how do you tell the first one being a fallow and not a lacewings? I Thought all lacewings have red eyes wtih cinnamon marking too. The first one kinda look like a Lutino lacewing to me.

Edited November 6, 200618 yr by Cheeta

That's what got me too, I've had lacewings with red eyes - or have I? (Laughing out loud) I'm more confused than ever now! :(Laughing out loud):

I used to be confused here is a link for the difference that I use

 

http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#lacewing

http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#fallow

 

Great job to everyone!

I don't see any body colour on bird one. only yellow. so I still don't know how I can distinct this bird as a fallow rather than a lacewings.

one that that is different are the check patches

 

The fallow variety has brownish markings, diluted body color, and red eyes.

 

The lacewing variety is mostly yellow or white with light cinnamon markings and light violet cheek patches.

 

If you check out the 2 links side by side you can see the difference. They are slight and used to confuse me and probably still will (Laughing out loud).

1 & 3

Lovey

Thanks for your explanation, I do understand the little bit of differences between lacewings and fallow.. and I can definitely see the differences in the links that you provided. However, what I'm trying to get at is that I can't tell the difference in picture one that Nerwen posted, and I was just wondering how (apart from getting pics off a fallow site I am assuming) would you tell that one apart.. as I only see yellow colour, not even diluted body colour. I have seen lacewing as brilliantly coloured as the picture posted, so was just trying to wrap my head around it that's all. well for this particular picture anyway.

gotcha Nerwen??

:(Laughing out loud): well.... that picture and many others from that sight are very hard to tell. What lovely stated is right and normally the way to tell them. If I didn't know where this picture came from even I would be wondering wether fallow or ino. But for this comp all I really wanted was a red eyed bird.

hi carmy here! This is fun :(Laughing out loud): I would say number 1 because the throught spots are also brown.

:(Laughing out loud):

 

okay then, I was waiting to give others a guess.

 

Answers:

 

1. fallow - this is a different gene to cinnamon although it gives brown markings. The red eyes is the key to telling it apart.

 

2. Grey-green Normal - the wings and tail are black

 

3. CINNAMON - (congratuations to all that picked this one)

 

4. Clearwing - the wings are a pale gray not brown

 

5. CINNAMON - This one was not as pale as the other and hard to spot so well done to all. She is also opaline which is where the body colour is the same one the wings.

 

 

Can we do another, Pleeease?

Ridley - Looks at the throat spots is a great way to judge but the whole bird needs to be looked at as well. The fact this bird has red eyes rules it out as a cinnamon becuase they have normal black eyes.

 

Kelly- Yep will work on another.

The fact this bird has red eyes rules it out as a cinnamon becuase they have normal black eyes.

 

Isn't lacewing just a fancy name a cinnamon albino/lutino? They have red eyes.

Cheeta -yes a Lacewing and no. to get a lace wing you need both the ino and cinnamon gene. And as you know there are other red eyed brown winged birds that are not conected with the cinnamon gene at all.

Yes, but that's caused by the ino gene, not the cinammon.

 

~post 100, yay!

 

 

Cheeta -yes a Lacewing and no. to get a lace wing you need both the ino and cinnamon gene. And as you know there are other red eyed brown winged birds that are not conected with the cinnamon gene at all.

 

 

Oh yes, I realised that the red eyed came from the ino genes. I was just merely trying to say that a cinnanom bird can have red eyes if it also have the ino genes. and yes I also do know that you can get other red eyed brong winged birds that are not cinnamon gene.

 

I know I am being a pain at the moment, but really, I am not trying to be.. all I am trying to say is that from the photo (picture 1), you can't say that to take a look closer at picture 1 and realised that it's a fallow and not lacewing (which is a cinnamon. Even Nerwen said herself that she couldn't tell whether it's a fallow or an ino short of knowing which site the picture came from). So technically for those that said picture 1 is a cinnamon bird is correct since there's no other way of knowing it's a fallow as it is also marked as a lacewing. The only way anyone would know it's a fallow is if they know that the picture came from a fallow website's gallery. I hope you're getting what I'm saying.... it's just that, to me that bird perfectly looks like a lacewings, and of course just as well a fallow, I thought that it was a lacewing at first glance, and second glance, and even third glance, never in my mind did I think that it is not a cinnamon. and the answers says that it isn't a cinnamon, and in fact it is a fallow. and then it goes on to say that the red eyes are the key to telling it apart... I'm not sure I agree with that. how do you tell a lacewing and a fallow (like the picture shown) apart from short of breeding them to see what you get.

 

The reason why I'm being so 'stubborn' now is because I think to have a genetic lesson, you need to cover all the basis. If I was new at this genetic stuff (and I'm still learning a lot of stuff) I would now go on thinking that all yellow birds with brown marking and red eyes are fallow and no chance of it being a cinnamon ino. I hope you get what I'm trying to get at. Not trying to stir trouble here.